From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
Szabolcs Nagy <szabolcs.nagy@arm.com>,
Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@arm.com>,
"H . J . Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>,
Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 0/4] arm64: Enable BTI for the executable as well as the interpreter
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 18:23:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YbD4LKiaxG2R0XxN@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211115152714.3205552-1-broonie@kernel.org>
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 03:27:10PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
> Deployments of BTI on arm64 have run into issues interacting with
> systemd's MemoryDenyWriteExecute feature. Currently for dynamically
> linked executables the kernel will only handle architecture specific
> properties like BTI for the interpreter, the expectation is that the
> interpreter will then handle any properties on the main executable.
> For BTI this means remapping the executable segments PROT_EXEC |
> PROT_BTI.
>
> This interacts poorly with MemoryDenyWriteExecute since that is
> implemented using a seccomp filter which prevents setting PROT_EXEC on
> already mapped memory and lacks the context to be able to detect that
> memory is already mapped with PROT_EXEC. This series resolves this by
> handling the BTI property for both the interpreter and the main
> executable.
>
> This does mean that we may get more code with BTI enabled if running on
> a system without BTI support in the dynamic linker, this is expected to
> be a safe configuration and testing seems to confirm that. It also
> reduces the flexibility userspace has to disable BTI but it is expected
> that for cases where there are problems which require BTI to be disabled
> it is more likely that it will need to be disabled on a system level.
Given the silence on this series over the past months, I propose we drop
it. It's a bit unfortunate that systemd's MemoryDenyWriteExecute cannot
work with BTI but I also think the former is a pretty blunt hardening
mechanism (rejecting any mprotect(PROT_EXEC) regardless of the previous
attributes).
I'm not a security expert to assess whether MDWX is more important than
BTI (hardware availability also influences the distros decision). My
suggestion would be to look at a better way to support the MDWX on the
long run that does not interfere with BTI.
--
Catalin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-08 18:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-15 15:27 Mark Brown
2021-11-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 1/4] elf: Allow architectures to parse properties on the main executable Mark Brown
2021-11-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 2/4] arm64: Enable BTI for main executable as well as the interpreter Mark Brown
2021-11-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 3/4] elf: Remove has_interp property from arch_adjust_elf_prot() Mark Brown
2021-11-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 4/4] elf: Remove has_interp property from arch_parse_elf_property() Mark Brown
2021-12-08 18:23 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2021-12-09 11:10 ` [PATCH v7 0/4] arm64: Enable BTI for the executable as well as the interpreter Szabolcs Nagy
2022-01-04 17:32 ` Mark Brown
2022-01-05 22:42 ` Jeremy Linton
2022-01-06 11:00 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-01-06 16:09 ` Jeremy Linton
2022-01-06 18:13 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-01-06 19:07 ` Mark Brown
2022-01-07 12:01 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-01-07 13:10 ` Mark Brown
2022-01-17 17:54 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-01-17 18:16 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-01-17 19:01 ` H.J. Lu
2022-01-18 11:22 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-01-18 12:55 ` H.J. Lu
2022-01-18 11:02 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2022-01-27 12:24 ` Catalin Marinas
2022-01-27 14:48 ` Szabolcs Nagy
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