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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: DJ Delorie <dj@redhat.com>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org, jg@jguk.org, linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2023 20:40:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZUvkIZpGduZ0FMVK@debian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xno7g4qd6a.fsf@greed.delorie.com>

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Hi DJ,

On Wed, Nov 08, 2023 at 02:04:45PM -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
> Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org> writes:
> > strncpy(3) is useful to write to fixed-width buffers like `struct utmp`
> > and `struct utmpx`.  Is there any other libc API that needs strncpy(3)?
> 
> Let's not limit ourselves to glibc APIs.  Tar format, for example, uses
> fixed length fields (and my bet is that strncpy was created for it) yet
> tar is not part of glibc.
> 
> IMHO the solution here is to document strncpy with sufficiently obvious
> intent that it is NOT a length-limited strcpy (i.e. strlcpy) and should
> ONLY be used for its intended purpose (filling a space-padded but not
> null-terminated field)

Indeed.  That's what I did (I think).

DESCRIPTION
     These  functions  copy  the string pointed to by src into a null‐
     padded character sequence at the fixed‐width buffer pointed to by
     dst.  If the destination buffer, limited by its size, isn’t large
     enough to hold the copy,  the  resulting  character  sequence  is
     truncated.

...

CAVEATS
     The name of these functions is confusing.  These  functions  pro‐
     duce   a  null‐padded  character  sequence,  not  a  string  (see
     string_copying(7)).

     It’s impossible to distinguish truncation by the  result  of  the
     call,  from  a  character sequence that just fits the destination
     buffer; truncation should be detected by comparing the length  of
     the input string with the size of the destination buffer.


I refuse to add any hints that strncpy(3) is good for copying strings.

> 
> It is not documentation's purpose to limit programmer's creativity, just
> to give them an accurate representation of what the functions do.

Thanks!

Cheers,
Alex

-- 
<https://www.alejandro-colomar.es/>

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-08 19:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cfbd8674-fe6a-4430-95f1-ec8bde7da32e@jguk.org>
     [not found] ` <ZUacobMq0l_O8gjg@debian>
     [not found]   ` <aeb55af5-1017-4ffd-9824-30b43d5748e3@jguk.org>
     [not found]     ` <ZUgl2HPJvUge7XYN@debian>
     [not found]       ` <d40fffcb-524d-44b6-a252-b55a8ddc9fee@jguk.org>
     [not found]         ` <ZUo6btEFD_z_3NcF@devuan>
     [not found]           ` <929865e3-17b4-49c4-8fa9-8383885e9904@jguk.org>
     [not found]             ` <ZUpjI1AHNOMOjdFk@devuan>
     [not found]               ` <ZUsoIbhrJar6ojux@dj3ntoo>
2023-11-08  9:51                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08  9:59                   ` Thorsten Kukuk
2023-11-08 15:09                     ` Alejandro Colomar
     [not found]                     ` <6bcad2492ab843019aa63895beaea2ce@DB6PR04MB3255.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com>
2023-11-08 15:44                       ` Thorsten Kukuk
2023-11-08 17:26                         ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-11-08 14:06                   ` Zack Weinberg
2023-11-08 15:07                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 21:35                       ` Carlos O'Donell
2023-11-08 22:11                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 23:31                           ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-09  0:29                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 10:13                               ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 11:08                                 ` catenate vs concatenate (was: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:06                                   ` catenate vs concatenate Jonny Grant
2023-11-27 14:33                                   ` catenate vs concatenate (was: strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated) Zack Weinberg
2023-11-27 15:08                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-27 15:13                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-27 16:59                                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-27 18:35                                         ` Zack Weinberg
2023-11-27 23:45                                           ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-11-09 11:13                                 ` strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:05                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 15:04                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 19:04                   ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 19:40                     ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2023-11-08 19:58                       ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 20:13                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 21:07                           ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-08 21:50                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 22:17                               ` [PATCH] stpncpy.3, string_copying.7: Clarify that st[rp]ncpy() do NOT produce a string Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-08 23:06                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-08 23:28                                   ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-09  0:24                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:11                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 14:35                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 14:47                                       ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 15:02                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 17:30                                           ` DJ Delorie
2023-11-09 17:54                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2023-11-09 18:00                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 19:42                                             ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-09  7:23                                 ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-09 15:20                                 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] " Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 15:20                                 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] stpncpy.3, string.3, string_copying.7: Clarify that st[rp]ncpy() pad with null bytes Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10  5:47                                   ` Oskari Pirhonen
2023-11-10 10:47                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
     [not found]           ` <20231108021240.176996-1-mattlloydhouse@gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <ZUvilH5kuQfTuZjy@debian>
     [not found]               ` <20231109031345.245703-1-mattlloydhouse@gmail.com>
2023-11-09 10:31                 ` strncpy clarify result may not be null terminated Jonny Grant
2023-11-09 11:38                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 12:43                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 12:51                     ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-11-09 14:01                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-09 18:11                     ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-09 23:48                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10  5:36                         ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-10 11:05                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 11:47                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 17:58                             ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-10 18:36                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 20:19                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 23:44                                   ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 19:52                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 22:14                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-11 21:13                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-11 22:20                                     ` Paul Eggert
2023-11-12  9:52                                     ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-12 10:59                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 11:36                           ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-10 13:15                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-10 11:23                     ` Jonny Grant
     [not found]               ` <CACKs7VDsTdSNwbC6+2LtQ67J_eJiD814xkw2_5XM1Q=iMjLXJA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-11-10 11:06                 ` Jonny Grant
2023-11-12  9:17 ` [PATCH 0/2] Expand BUGS section of string_copying(7) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12  9:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] string_copying.7: BUGS: *cat(3) functions aren't always bad Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12  9:18 ` [PATCH 2/2] string_copying.7: BUGS: Document strl{cpy,cat}(3)'s performance problems Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Improve string_copying(7) Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] string_copying.7: BUGS: *cat(3) functions aren't always bad Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] string_copying.7: BUGS: Document strl{cpy,cat}(3)'s performance problems Alejandro Colomar
2023-11-12 11:27 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] strtcpy.3, string_copying.7: Add strtcpy(3) Alejandro Colomar

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