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From: Zack Weinberg <zackw@panix.com>
To: Rical Jasan <ricaljasan@pacific.net>, libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Cc: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
	Carlos O'Donell <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/5] manual: Header & Standards Cleanup
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 21:05:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a04f7709-9e70-7bf1-fa8c-2626b1323b08@panix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170519093353.6158-1-ricaljasan@pacific.net>

On 05/19/2017 05:33 AM, Rical Jasan wrote:
> There exists a convention for annotating which headers and standards a
> given function, variable, etc., provided by the glibc come from,
> guaranteeing their automatic inclusion in the Summary of Library
> Facilities, where they are indexed along with their headers and
> standards.  The convention is based upon expectations present in
> summary.awk, though that script does not do any enforcing, merely
> indexing what it can find.  It is roughly:
> 
>   @comment HEADER(S)
>   @comment STANDARD(S)
>   @(def|item|vindex)
> 
> It would be nice to use something other than ad-hoc @comments for such
> annotations, and also provide a framework for ensuring annotations
> exist and are correctly formatted.  To that end, a new set of macros
> are proposed: @standards and @standardsx.
> 
> Examples of intended use are:
> 
>   @item FOO
>   @standards{STD, HDR}
> 
>   @defvar BAR
>   @standards{STD1, HDR1}
>   @standards{STD2, HDR2}
> 
>   @deftypefun foo
>   @deftypefunx fool
>   @standardsx{foo, STD, HDR}
>   @standardsx{fool, STD, HDR}

Very high-level question: why can't this third case be

    @deftypefun foo
    @deftypefunx fool
    @standards{STD, HDR}

or, when foo was in C89 but foof/fool were added in C99 (for instance)

    @deftypefun foo
    @deftypefunx foof
    @deftypefunx fool
    @standards{STD1, HDR}
    @standardsx{foof, STD2, HDR}
    @standardsx{fool, STD2, HDR}

That is, @standards sets the default for the entire @deftypefun{x}
group, and then @standardsx can override specific cases if necessary.
This should make at least some @deftypefun{x} groups less repetitive.

> This patchset uses a script to convert existing @comment-based
> annotations to @standards.  First, the script is submitted for review,
> then the @standards* macros are added to macros.texi.  Next, a number
> of fixes are applied to various syntax issues and then the conversion
> takes place.  Lastly, summary.awk is replaced by summary.pl, in order
> to generate summary.texi from the new @standards.

I appreciate your providing the conversion script, but I'm not sure it
should be checked in.  Are we ever going to use it again after this
process is complete?

I do not feel qualified to review Perl code; I haven't used the language
for anything nontrivial in many years.  Because of this I am not going
to review your patch 1 or 5.

> In order to provide insight on the differences between summary.awk and
> summary.pl, and how @standards will differ from the @comment-based
> annotations, some analysis of the immediate and expected long-term
> differences follows.

I also appreciate your providing this analysis and I think temporary
omission of certain entries from the summary files is fine.  I'd like an
answer to the above very high-level question before we proceed with the
conversion, though.

zw

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-19 21:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-12-06 10:55 [PATCH v2 0/5] " Rical Jasan
2016-12-06 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] manual: Refactor header and standards annotations Rical Jasan
2016-12-06 13:49   ` Zack Weinberg
2016-12-06 15:33   ` Joseph Myers
2016-12-19 10:37     ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-19 13:48       ` Joseph Myers
2017-02-07  6:46   ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-06 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] manual: Convert @tables of variables to @vtables Rical Jasan
2016-12-06 13:50   ` Zack Weinberg
2016-12-06 15:46   ` Joseph Myers
2016-12-07 15:18   ` Nix
2016-12-08  1:38     ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-21 10:08       ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-21 12:42         ` Joseph Myers
2016-12-06 10:55 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] manual: Enforce header and standard requirements Rical Jasan
2016-12-06 10:56 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] manual: Add new header and standards annotations Rical Jasan
2016-12-06 13:23   ` Zack Weinberg
2016-12-06 14:27     ` Andreas Schwab
2016-12-06 16:24     ` Joseph Myers
2016-12-06 19:23       ` Zack Weinberg
2016-12-06 21:42         ` Joseph Myers
2016-12-07 16:32   ` Joseph Myers
2016-12-08  2:56     ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-08 14:02       ` Joseph Myers
2016-12-12  9:01         ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-14 18:18           ` Joseph Myers
2016-12-14 23:30             ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-15  9:58               ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-15 13:01                 ` Joseph Myers
2017-02-07  5:13                   ` Rical Jasan
2017-02-07 16:41                     ` Joseph Myers
2017-02-08  8:50                       ` Rical Jasan
2017-02-08 13:52                         ` Joseph Myers
2017-02-12  6:01                           ` Rical Jasan
2017-04-04  3:58                             ` Rical Jasan
2017-04-04 11:26                               ` Joseph Myers
2017-04-05  3:08                                 ` Rical Jasan
2017-06-16 13:40                                   ` Zack Weinberg
2017-06-16  8:28     ` Rical Jasan
2016-12-06 11:42 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] manual: Clean up miscellaneous standards Rical Jasan
2017-05-16  9:55 ` [PATCH v3 0/7] manual: Header & Standards Cleanup Rical Jasan
2017-05-16  9:55   ` [PATCH v3 3/7] manual: Fix up invalid header and standards syntax Rical Jasan
2017-05-16 11:51     ` Joseph Myers
2017-05-17  4:49       ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-17 10:03         ` Joseph Myers
2017-05-18  8:10       ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-16  9:55   ` [PATCH v3 2/7] manual: Create empty placeholder macros for @standards Rical Jasan
2017-05-16  9:55   ` [PATCH v3 1/7] manual: Provide one-off standards conversion script Rical Jasan
2017-05-16 10:27   ` [PATCH v3 7/7] manual: Replace summary.awk with summary.pl Rical Jasan
2017-05-16 10:28   ` [PATCH v3 5/7] manual: Convert @tables of annotated @items to @vtables Rical Jasan
2017-05-16 11:53     ` Joseph Myers
2017-05-18  8:11       ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-16 10:28   ` [PATCH v3 6/7] manual: Convert header and standards @comments to @standards Rical Jasan
2017-05-16 10:29   ` [PATCH v3 4/7] manual: Refactor errno @comments Rical Jasan
2017-05-16 11:06     ` Joseph Myers
2017-05-17  4:44       ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-17 13:21         ` Zack Weinberg
2017-05-17 13:31           ` Zack Weinberg
2017-05-18  9:42           ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-18 12:32             ` Zack Weinberg
2017-05-19  9:46               ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-19 20:50                 ` Zack Weinberg
2017-05-19  6:20         ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-18  9:58       ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-19  9:33   ` [PATCH v4 0/5] manual: Header & Standards Cleanup Rical Jasan
2017-05-19  9:33     ` [PATCH v4 2/5] manual: Create empty placeholder macros for @standards Rical Jasan
2017-05-19 21:02       ` Zack Weinberg
2017-05-20  6:05         ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-19  9:34     ` [PATCH v4 3/5] manual: Convert errno @comments to new @errno macro Rical Jasan
2017-05-19 21:03       ` Zack Weinberg
2017-05-20  6:05         ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-19  9:34     ` [PATCH v4 1/5] manual: Provide one-off standards conversion script Rical Jasan
2017-05-19  9:34     ` [PATCH v4 5/5] manual: Replace summary.awk with summary.pl Rical Jasan
2017-05-19  9:36     ` [PATCH v4 4/5] manual: Convert header and standards @comments to @standards Rical Jasan
2017-05-19 21:05     ` Zack Weinberg [this message]
2017-05-22  9:03       ` [PATCH v4 0/5] manual: Header & Standards Cleanup Rical Jasan
2017-05-24 13:12         ` Rical Jasan
2017-05-24 13:29           ` Zack Weinberg
2017-05-26  5:01     ` [PATCH v5 0/3] " Rical Jasan
2017-05-26  5:01       ` [PATCH v5 0/3] manual: Header & Standards Cleanup [conversion script] Rical Jasan
2017-05-26  5:01       ` [PATCH v5 3/3] manual: Replace summary.awk with summary.pl Rical Jasan
2017-05-26  5:01       ` [PATCH v5 2/3] manual: Convert header and standards @comments to @standards Rical Jasan
2017-05-26  5:01       ` [PATCH v5 1/3] manual: Create empty placeholder macros for @standards Rical Jasan
2017-05-31  9:23       ` [PATCH v5 0/3] manual: Header & Standards Cleanup Rical Jasan
2017-06-08 11:46         ` [PING] " Rical Jasan
2017-06-08 13:41           ` Zack Weinberg
2017-06-09  2:31             ` Rical Jasan
2017-06-15  8:47               ` Rical Jasan
2017-06-15  8:32           ` Rical Jasan
2017-06-15 18:01             ` Joseph Myers
2017-06-16  4:38               ` Rical Jasan

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