From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from quail.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (quail.birch.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.209.151]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50E483948A66; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 21:37:54 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 50E483948A66 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=gotplt.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gotplt.org X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92FE12207C; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 21:37:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a307 (unknown [127.0.0.6]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6BDAD122306; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 21:37:52 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Seal: i=1; s=arc-2022; d=mailchannels.net; t=1665092272; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=l7vS/qDEQ2MbT6u4g1WDTa/nU4BGBTDofRYiuG7qOc/UDt6WiwuRElLJCNQmcZXS1YSt+I x3oKtnM6wSTHRd4n1FHzAgqsFEQ91Nx2UlrwzAyiXP+kQusbqt1HfEOfAplh/H6PRAbE0L NOYxQSFO9ssPBgQZErF12z0jdpx2oEtZAWMygXJPzroLpg/IPuNAcMGRN8lI0Gkgg5bTPY dmd6UMOF5Q/WPpwHTscbk454TBGSR2VeQCdfWIyY3gqDhIc2/mAX8+5UY3XUXVJL42szA2 GyWetK81xajJU8HJo5bMWKZvOUYqhQ+42oLozk4LOaV4I8YUQuDxN7AOyFSVYg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailchannels.net; s=arc-2022; t=1665092272; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:dkim-signature; bh=UrAw++GGtl41rhrPtFmWFYaikzZ95fWGrYDKwujCuFY=; b=wJCE1ubFY+rlW2UVv0/ZaRg7fiFHgVVSs9oV8kAbZ4mIl8yPUYd7jtg8KRZvp6SBeR8l9v z4EWwjmJloIh5nXskVxtT7nJ+l/vhX51fb4j9SizrsKnm/b+966SKaAdYhXFcRfUFruTN9 S/IBGchjT4I1IXxfIaIsDnC/KLNGNbH+BWR7sNBileKP5cqCDmtTLQEHsi3wpptF1l2YLL 0aJ25KYraWVa+TSCf/io/a1qZ1rojusJGCroNqXYD8tkRobtQuA9XxN8c11KrhfoSvqLS2 /ow3gcfTT74OZNwYRSmoJTxHQqGZ5L5wlnY74b9szwKULMGWO+i2yexcBgUk0g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; rspamd-6d4bb977-562pd; auth=pass smtp.auth=dreamhost smtp.mailfrom=siddhesh@gotplt.org X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Lettuce-Blushing: 0e066cd55a95e9a8_1665092272769_3626258826 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1665092272769:2087367924 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1665092272769 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a307 (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by 100.120.38.187 (trex/6.7.1); Thu, 06 Oct 2022 21:37:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.182] (bras-base-toroon4834w-grc-23-76-68-24-82.dsl.bell.ca [76.68.24.82]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: siddhesh@gotplt.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a307 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Mk4YB4Nsczbp; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 14:37:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gotplt.org; s=dreamhost; t=1665092271; bh=UrAw++GGtl41rhrPtFmWFYaikzZ95fWGrYDKwujCuFY=; h=Date:Subject:To:From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PPUsrrTN3qDM2MoFrBTs2DX9xXgY+8LSEbBqpUybhPNZadTiW/d9R+md1CHigtAXk PWsezbIlT8RjK1lwYwA9Dz6gxb0seadeWMco5afeCueZFHbU0LpnNYq7096e4DnPnx mScu/bBoHF+9t1vSDLn2xjzjwi0H2U9uwg/GyfX3lTo//NWqo0pdFRtzuwawuyfyI0 dLmfL7KuDWiAy10imT1wSzKeCP6CD46eLww9RWX8iBfaq2XLGB1rECmrrGZd543Pn6 XHkYSph+qMx4hNM9D1qjhrQogi5gLTJf9nhY5IBipkU2fkWQWBYzL6v/QD1/yunxiH Hzqdv5lu83CFw== Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:37:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.12.0 Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project Content-Language: en-US To: Mark Wielaard , Overseers mailing list , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <20221004171007.oc2ot6eu6l24aipn@cgf.cx> <05b0f7fa-7077-5a8b-0c2f-dfb3068dd10f@gotplt.org> <20221006201256.run7acqpnjofsqfw@cgf.cx> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar In-Reply-To: <20221006201256.run7acqpnjofsqfw@cgf.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2022-10-06 16:12, Christopher Faylor via Overseers wrote: > The silence from the proponents of this project is puzzling. I wonder > if this means there are more non-public negotiations going on somewhere, > leaving the community out of the loop. The proponents of this project are members of the GNU toolchain communities. We approached the LF with the permission of the FSF to explore infrastructure funding solutions that would work for our communities. The proposal has been made in response to our request, so we need to tell them what we need and not the other way around. Also as I responded to Mark, the technical details of the transition are the responsibility of the GTI TAC (which you were invited to be member of and you declined) and not the LF IT, although they'd be the ones implementing and maintaining it. We're at that stage at the moment where we look for consensus from the project communities so that we understand if we can move all of sourceware to LF IT or if we need both to coexist somehow. Once we have a direction, we talk about what that transition would look like and ask questions accordingly. Are there services that you absolutely cannot move to LF IT and why? Why would you support (or oppose) porting the wiki to something like readthedocs backed by a git repo? I respect your outright rejection of the proposal because at least it is clear that you don't have any stake in its fine tuning. For everyone else, it's a proposal. If there are changes you'd like to see in it, which will result in it being acceptable for you, please feel free to convey that. If you think it is unnecessary for your project and that sourceware in its current state and vision is sufficient for your needs, please state that clearly too. Sid