From: Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
To: Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>
Cc: "Rich Felker" <dalias@libc.org>,
"'Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)'" <alx.manpages@gmail.com>,
"Stefan Puiu" <stefan.puiu@gmail.com>,
"Michael Kerrisk" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
наб <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>,
"Jakub Wilk" <jwilk@jwilk.net>,
libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 1/2] sys/types.h: Define new type: snseconds_t
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 21:41:33 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2112082134070.17744@digraph.polyomino.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e5013a34-ef24-4d6e-bd3d-bde053707885@www.fastmail.com>
On Wed, 8 Dec 2021, Zack Weinberg via Libc-alpha wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, at 10:05 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 09:26:59PM -0500, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> >> On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
> >> >
> >> > This is a non-starter because the relevant standards already require
> >> > the tv_nsec member to have type long.
> >>
> >> That requirement is a defect in the standards, and I see no reason
> >> why this particular defect should be granted 'we're stuck with this'
> >> status.
> >
> > When the standard codifies existing *universal* practice without
> > introducing a gratuitous typedef
>
> Universal practice is not necessarily correct. It was an error to
> define a structure type that's passed across the user/kernel boundary,
"user/kernel boundary" is not a concept relevant to the standards; the
standards deal with the *implementation* as a whole, all parts of which
are expected to work together to implement features.
It was a defect when older XPG standards specified "long" for some fields
in struct stat, because having st_blocks (for example) outside the range
of 32-bit long is useful. In the case of tv_nsec, all valid values fit
within the range of 32-bit long and so that argument does not apply.
--
Joseph S. Myers
joseph@codesourcery.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-08 21:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-07 11:19 [PATCH] sys/types.h: Define new types: [s]nseconds_t Alejandro Colomar
2021-12-07 12:36 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-12-07 13:17 ` наб
2021-12-07 18:20 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-12-07 21:48 ` наб
2021-12-07 19:10 ` Joseph Myers
2021-12-07 15:50 ` Zack Weinberg
2021-12-07 18:24 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-12-07 21:48 ` [RFC v2 1/2] sys/types.h: Define new type: snseconds_t Alejandro Colomar
2021-12-07 23:56 ` Joseph Myers
2021-12-08 0:17 ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-08 0:29 ` Rich Felker
2021-12-08 2:26 ` Zack Weinberg
2021-12-08 3:05 ` Rich Felker
2021-12-08 14:34 ` Zack Weinberg
2021-12-08 17:38 ` Rich Felker
2021-12-08 19:52 ` Zack Weinberg
2021-12-08 18:15 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-12-08 21:41 ` Joseph Myers [this message]
2021-12-07 22:05 ` [RFC v2 2/2] sys/types.h: struct timespec: Use snseconds_t for tv_nsec Alejandro Colomar
2021-12-08 14:47 ` [RFC v3 1/3] bits/types[izes].h: Define new internal type: __snseconds_t Alejandro Colomar
2021-12-08 14:47 ` [RFC v3 2/3] sys/types.h: struct timespec: Use __snseconds_t for tv_nsec Alejandro Colomar
2021-12-08 14:53 ` Zack Weinberg
2021-12-08 15:17 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-12-08 15:24 ` Joseph Myers
2021-12-08 15:47 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-12-08 15:59 ` Zack Weinberg
2021-12-08 17:44 ` Rich Felker
2021-12-08 14:48 ` [RFC v3 3/3] sys/types.h: Make snseconds_t user visible Alejandro Colomar
2021-12-08 14:55 ` Zack Weinberg
2021-12-08 15:15 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-12-08 18:12 ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-08 18:25 ` Rich Felker
2021-12-08 20:10 ` Zack Weinberg
2021-12-08 20:34 ` Rich Felker
2021-12-08 21:12 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-12-08 21:53 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-12-09 19:20 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-12-09 19:42 ` Paul Eggert
2021-12-09 19:52 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-12-09 20:13 ` Joseph Myers
2021-12-09 20:17 ` Rich Felker
2021-12-09 20:23 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-12-09 20:29 ` Joseph Myers
2021-12-09 20:34 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-12-09 20:40 ` Joseph Myers
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