From: Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
To: "Cristian Rodríguez" <crrodriguez@opensuse.org>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Add arc4random support
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 16:26:36 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b40e307c-be0c-2c97-362a-910ef9f4fe3b@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPBLoAeJGpfaf0LYPU90bSf+RVFaNQbSiNq2c1edY2YxaR4L8w@mail.gmail.com>
On 14/04/2022 08:49, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
> If this interface is gonna added, GNU extensions that return uint64_t
> of arc4random and arc4random_uniform will be extremely cool.
> Even cooler if there is no global state.
I don't think adding a uint64_t interface for arc4random would improve
much, specially because a simple wrapper using arc4random_buf should
be suffice. It would also require portable code to handle another
GNU extension over a BSD defined interface that is presented in multiple
systems. Also performance-wise I think it would be much different than
arc4random_buf. It make some sense for arc4random_uniform, but I don't
have a strong opinion.
The global state adds some hardening by 'slicing up the stream' since
multiple consumers getting different pieces add backtracking and prediction
resistance. Theo de Raadt explains a bit why OpenBSD has added this
concept [1] (check about minute 26) on its arc4random implementation.
As he puts, there is no formal proof, but I agree that the ideas are
reasonable.
Also, not using a global state means we will need to add a per-thread or
per-cpu state which is at least one page (due MADV_WIPEONFORK). The
per-cpu state is only actually possible on newer Linux kernels that
support rseq. We might just not care about MADV_WIPEONFORK and use
a malloc buffer which would be reset by the atfork internal handler.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp_90-3R0pE
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-04-14 19:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-13 20:23 Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-13 20:23 ` [PATCH 1/7] stdlib: Add arc4random, arc4random_buf, and arc4random_uniform (BZ #4417) Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-13 20:23 ` [PATCH 2/7] stdlib: Add arc4random tests Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 18:01 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-13 20:23 ` [PATCH 3/7] benchtests: Add arc4random benchtest Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 19:17 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 19:48 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 20:33 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 20:48 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-13 20:23 ` [PATCH 4/7] x86: Add SSSE3 optimized chacha20 Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-13 23:12 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 17:03 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 17:10 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 17:18 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 17:22 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 18:25 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 17:17 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 18:11 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 19:25 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 19:40 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-13 20:23 ` [PATCH 5/7] x86: Add AVX2 " Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-13 23:04 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 17:16 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 17:20 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-14 18:12 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-13 20:24 ` [PATCH 6/7] aarch64: Add " Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-13 20:24 ` [PATCH 7/7] powerpc64: " Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 7:36 ` [PATCH 0/7] Add arc4random support Yann Droneaud
2022-04-14 18:39 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2022-04-14 18:43 ` Noah Goldstein
2022-04-15 10:22 ` Yann Droneaud
2022-04-14 11:49 ` Cristian Rodríguez
2022-04-14 19:26 ` Adhemerval Zanella [this message]
2022-04-14 20:36 ` Noah Goldstein
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