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Eigler" Cc: Overseers mailing list , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <9ec804c9-1bbe-42ac-07a4-69df5c83b559@gotplt.org> <20221004141900.GA15858@redhat.com> <20221004144114.GB15858@redhat.com> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar In-Reply-To: <20221004144114.GB15858@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3032.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2022-10-04 10:41, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > I'm afraid I don't understand then what the point of comparing to LLVM > with respect to competitiveness or freedom was. AIUI, infrastructure > is an enabler, not really a competitive differentiator. I suppose that's a difference in our perception then. I think of infrastructure as an accelerator and not just an enabler, which makes it a serious competitive differentiator. >> Do you think the current proposal is not an upgrade to what we >> currently have? > > I don't know. I am not under the impression that infrastructure is > holding back development on any of these projects. Further, I suspect > that if the communities were given a choice to direct the sponsors' > generous donations toward new development type work, they may well > prefer that. Is that possibility on offer? Not in this proposal AFAICT (I have exactly the same information as you do) but IMO it would be great if it happens and the project communities accept it. Sid