From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 115714 invoked by alias); 3 May 2018 02:49:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-alpha-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-alpha-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 115423 invoked by uid 89); 3 May 2018 02:49:05 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no version=3.3.2 spammy= X-HELO: mail-qk0-f169.google.com X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:openpgp :organization:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=625W4Bf0yBl+84BjPDWq0VD+VrbHWqofcVkSqR3A4ps=; b=ogMNoDNRKcJhXd56QHE7Cws4tQrIL3DkskJGALyxiEWUSZRgTi/hCzrQq+dRgeLEHu vn6hgseaJuVCdgM/coURTknzVO2L8xpWzXkxK+Ys9EWFwqJNNoVfirRWKSggA0v1BkFX dzMn0KgiWNONQ6cIoYOJn38Xr0zQ283YBC4dLowougrRaIvf0l56sEpJaMQqKckh4KQL 8uwNRiWygFT3OceWZfZ0eda0Pjh7DPgfcUhYQHSrHktFWPc4/FWAKaT0dkZSqRs4+85d mpDpSQ7mJ+ntUlhtexYdCr6/nTo55x1kanahw4xSPEaz9sM7IavgXbTAMmwFNzH/7e7u qieQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tBwyB7wypkH1nMdYzKvg4H3ayOV6giBdHGHb6ExhEhXKZLDFSn9 m8v928stNyX7lQpVAJKlygk7rziPE/o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrLd3iXqoNAAmt9/2JPmO1KG5bXwVPdVWjBfQa/vMh5JonEq1B/EGDJ87cEp8FjFef6tKudww== X-Received: by 10.55.20.232 with SMTP id 101mr16933668qku.243.1525315733257; Wed, 02 May 2018 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke To: Zack Weinberg Cc: Alexandre Oliva , rms@gnu.org, GNU C Library References: <5d2af1ce-b1ed-c10f-bbbb-d7716a6d4ffa@redhat.com> <41373e4e-2793-48ae-f8f4-87e809f0104d@redhat.com> From: Carlos O'Donell Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Message-ID: Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 02:49:00 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SW-Source: 2018-05/txt/msg00055.txt.bz2 On 05/02/2018 03:08 PM, Zack Weinberg wrote: > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> On 05/01/2018 08:30 PM, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >>> To the best of our knowledge, terminating a program by calling this >>> function is not against the law in any jurisdiction, but there are >>> some jurisdictions considering laws to censor information about such >>> procedures. Regardless of your opinion on the procedures, we hope you >>> will support our opposition to censorship. >> >> This is now satire, an even more difficult culturally relative form of >> literature. I would not recommend this either. >> >> Why don't we find a solid common ground in wording that relates to >> censorship and abortion. > > As I just said to RMS, I formally object to the inclusion of ANY > replacement for the joke. I do not think that this subject should be > discussed at all within the GNU C Library Manual, because I think that > no matter how it is worded it winds up sounding like we're mocking the > reader's actual beliefs about abortion - whatever they happen to be - > by drawing a comparison to the termination of computer processes. I agree with that. I also object to ANY replacement of the original joke. However, I must cede that there could be different viewpoints in the community, particularly from RMS and Alex, and so I want to use this patch as a discussion point over what it is they actually want to state publicly. > Perhaps those that feel strongly that the FSF should be taking a > position on this -- which I can sympathize with -- should write up an > editorial to be published on fsf.org or gnu.org, instead. I agree with that also, which was roughly my second suggestion: https://www.sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2018-05/msg00003.html -- Cheers, Carlos.