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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: GNU libc development <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	austin-group-l@opengroup.org, GCC <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
	Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sockaddr.3type: Document that sockaddr_storage is the API to be used
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 16:58:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e52ba60f-aeec-d2e3-2c8f-5e379e45cbe9@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bba87d12-77ce-386c-ba85-e20a7a1e4b22@owlfolio.org>


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Hi Eric,

On 4/14/23 18:08, Zack Weinberg via Libc-alpha wrote:
> On 2023-04-06 3:37 PM, Eric Blake wrote:
>> Since Issue 7 is tied to C99, and Issue 8 will be tied to C17, both of
>> which use the same section number despite being a different edition of
>> the C standard, being that specific may work.  Or, we might try
>> something focusing more on wording instead of document location, as
>> in:
>>
>> Additionally, the structures shall be defined in such a way that the
>> compiler treats an access to the stored value of the sa_family_t
>> member of any of these structures, via an lvalue expression whose type
>> involves any other one of these structures, as permissible even if the
>> types involved would not otherwise be deemed compatible with the
>> effective type of the object ultimately being accessed.

The wording I see in <https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1641#c6262>
doesn't seem to cover the case of aliasing a sockaddr_storage as a
protocol-specific address for setting other members.

Aliasing rules don't allow one to declare an object of type
sockaddr_storage and then fill the structure as if it were another
structure, even if alignment and size are correct.  We would need
some wording that says something like:

When a pointer to a sockaddr_storage structure is first aliased as a
pointer to a protocol-specific address structure, the effective type
of the object will be set to the protocol-specific structure.

This is similar to what happens when malloc(3) is assigned to a
non-character type.  That's a big hammer, but it does the job.  Maybe
we would need some looser language?  I CCd GCC, in case they have
concerns about this wording.

Cheers,
Alex

> 
> I quite like this way of putting it.  It subsumes both what I wrote and 
> the related potential headache with deciding whether the sa_family_t 
> field is considered an object or just a range of bytes within a larger 
> object.
> 
> zw

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-21 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30 17:13 Alejandro Colomar
2023-03-30 19:11 ` Eric Blake
2023-04-05  0:42   ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-06 16:24     ` Eric Blake
2023-04-06 16:31       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-06 18:05         ` Zack Weinberg
2023-04-06 19:37           ` Eric Blake
2023-04-14 16:08             ` Zack Weinberg
2023-04-21 14:58               ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2023-04-21 15:00                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-21 15:27                   ` Eric Blake
2023-04-21 20:27                     ` [PATCH v3] sockaddr.3type: POSIX Issue 8 will solve strict-aliasing issues with these types Alejandro Colomar
2023-04-21 20:35                       ` Eric Blake

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