From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from dormouse.elm.relay.mailchannels.net (dormouse.elm.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.212.50]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CB61385E02C for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 02:23:58 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 9CB61385E02C Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=gotplt.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gotplt.org X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31FF341772; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 02:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (100-98-55-130.trex-nlb.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.98.55.130]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 71B58341CC3; Fri, 25 Jun 2021 02:23:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 100.98.55.130 (trex/6.3.3); Fri, 25 Jun 2021 02:23:56 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|siddhesh@gotplt.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Chief-Tasty: 30974910496f2045_1624587836690_1987796687 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1624587836690:2035948448 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1624587836690 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349258080F; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:23:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=gotplt.org; h=subject:to :cc:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=gotplt.org; bh=Z4wJA8 Xax77AhuqUOS8PUd8QhoQ=; b=pEhhFM0mRtS4c5xMFd+K9mtz2qpv6iFcJWGi0t WAxx2/s5fAKxGwfLp5GOOHQMhHS7o/7Qk0BEPr9XSt1I2ksP431dwP6ZpsPkfW8+ unWHDrqHOuTprlt/bVcCHnT0Lz/xXR+XH4IDwbjV60mv8rc9yS4+ePh5T3WA2gRx U/C2s= Received: from [192.168.1.134] (unknown [1.186.101.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: siddhesh@gotplt.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C845E7F933; Thu, 24 Jun 2021 19:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Seeking input from developers: glibc copyright assignment policy. To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org References: <4369849.fY2oj7UdlA@omega> <83sg17rrf6.fsf@gnu.org> X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a31 From: Siddhesh Poyarekar Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 07:53:49 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83sg17rrf6.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3029.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: libc-alpha@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Libc-alpha mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 02:24:00 -0000 On 6/25/21 1:00 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > AFAIU, the copyright assignment to the FSF doesn't contradict (2), > because the assignment agreement explicitly grants the copyright back > to you. Quote: > > (d) FSF agrees to grant back to Developer, and does hereby grant, > nonexclusive, royalty free, fully paid up and non-cancellable > worldwide rights to use the Works (i.e., Developer's changes and/or > enhancements, not the Program that they enhance), as Developer sees > fit; this grant back does not limit FSF's rights and public rights > acquired through this agreement. A grant back is not nearly the same thing. It still needs trust in the organization to represent my values. > The DCO allows to make the presentation on behalf of third parties, > which were involved in writing the code, but are not part of the > contribution dialog. It also hand-waves over the need to involve the > employer in the process, to make sure they won't claim the copyright. > So the risk of admitting code whose copyright could later be > challenged is greater. The assignment process does not *need* an employer's involvement so I'm not convinced that a developer being dismissive or purposefully dishonest won't do so in case of an assignment. Siddhesh