From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 278323858C5E for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2023 20:24:15 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 278323858C5E Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=redhat.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1681503854; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=WS/6aEWD5oTcDRpNgtfqJgA82s12UONrUuVC/9k2Uzc=; b=LlFxdqUEQnS5kQfzf3JIFpVHPkhLJv3E4Dj/2nwzXqUuuPfy3R/vloS8PJ609r5Rbc2DFS MWSlPRuC4wBjF4rgJqIxnOXhVzHnmDCf6Siz+aANKoXFbA3ZOiUFbZcTHfi0/wgSd7HGcj 0PXUQyHdimdr6UNx99XZA+osznhHNeM= Received: from mail-yb1-f199.google.com (mail-yb1-f199.google.com [209.85.219.199]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-460-hZBri9HuMjuuhEe-TFdC9A-1; Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:24:13 -0400 X-MC-Unique: hZBri9HuMjuuhEe-TFdC9A-1 Received: by mail-yb1-f199.google.com with SMTP id u188-20020a2560c5000000b00b8f15f2111dso14558453ybb.4 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681503853; x=1684095853; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:organization:from:references :to:content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WS/6aEWD5oTcDRpNgtfqJgA82s12UONrUuVC/9k2Uzc=; b=ABLpmewJYzBf/E6NMfovFe9miHLwct5TY9TUcxUUot86ZiHSFqa6VUAbMUcKIQgdyq JDNkrxZy62GryF6jEZILdAcUpo4OYH9ip5xNfuCSaCQcvXl7jeOBOSXFkaXJulxjMfA1 7IqUBMazsLRWbCfeee7KGUw/BI/8uEWUL/yod52byELFOb7N4TVXpVSlEskAN5Iiv5KT yvgwwkUqeGto7UOM/1iM2UzoysfPpgDB8P/bOHIZHtEL3j3QMTC6Vv4vAw9GRXnsJMhy 4KdWcDE3tiijmd3opB1sM8vrpgYgTV330vKTe3LT4e73QA8bf4T/AdBWcPOatVKRA8zd bN8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9dnC1kdkaG8RhSTWk+elDoLlpCTlq0Y4dHNzKU14EvdgR0ddV+n SAkq28PEhGlFP1jQ7tq/8AWAx6Zhb4BtZ8AkR6nEmDwLoXr0u0Cd0OmbL9i96Ybjy0LeHMBG1hP 0OU/V242pKqD5UdtVvdSqKXXaq0eX X-Received: by 2002:a0d:c107:0:b0:552:9ec8:eb3f with SMTP id c7-20020a0dc107000000b005529ec8eb3fmr1304030ywd.7.1681503853122; Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bdj6+xlfQKBs/ro2JWrswzxPvbCQGCwGYeyQfqhx4q3TJp7ntpco6XAxOQSdZPQvBOoo/5jQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0d:c107:0:b0:552:9ec8:eb3f with SMTP id c7-20020a0dc107000000b005529ec8eb3fmr1303978ywd.7.1681503851952; Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.241] ([198.48.244.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t22-20020a817816000000b00545a0818494sm1433125ywc.36.2023.04.14.13.24.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 14 Apr 2023 13:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:24:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.9.0 Subject: Re: Autoconf maintenance (extremely tangential to Re: [PATCH v9 0/13] implement dlmem() function) To: Zack Weinberg , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Florian Weimer , Frederic Berat References: <20230318165110.3672749-1-stsp2@yandex.ru> <481ef2c5-a59f-dea4-7f5f-2fcd229a4c25@redhat.com> <7fab954f-4a3d-0df0-8211-a9697f3966c1@yandex.ru> <81d75bd3-147e-f85a-9955-0c7f0f2dfbeb@redhat.com> <09b644bc-3d6e-39cf-02c2-af5c5a72e248@yandex.ru> <23436bcf-a715-971b-db54-5d80634ca0ef@redhat.com> <672062ac-b161-8e12-9307-6cac1f5c294a@owlfolio.org> From: Carlos O'Donell Organization: Red Hat In-Reply-To: <672062ac-b161-8e12-9307-6cac1f5c294a@owlfolio.org> X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 4/14/23 12:15, Zack Weinberg wrote: > On 2023-04-13 5:17 PM, Carlos O'Donell via Libc-alpha wrote: >> Zach Weinberg (GNU Autoconf maintainer) > I feel that referring to me as the GNU Autoconf maintainer is likely > to mislead people. How would you like to be described? I struggled for a term to describe your role in the ecosystem of packages around the toolchain space. I often quote your "A Maintenance Programmer’s View of GCC" (GCC Summit 2003) around incomplete transitions :-) > At present, GNU Autoconf does not _have_ any active maintainers, and > this is not likely to change anytime soon. I _wanted_ to put out a > new Autoconf release (to better support clang 16.0.0, which has > turned off support for implicit function declarations in its default > mode) months ago and it hasn't been possible because neither I nor > anyone else has the time to make it happen. Thanks for that update. I think that a new Autoconf release is something that the community would want, particularly as Fedora and Gentoo move towards Modern C: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PortingToModernC -- Cheers, Carlos.