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From: Adhemerval Zanella Netto <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
To: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>,
	Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
Cc: Zack Weinberg via Libc-alpha <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	Zack Weinberg <zack@owlfolio.org>, DJ Delorie <dj@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Supporting malloc_usable_size
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 13:54:09 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f648dde2-88a6-21f5-7b8c-548368837317@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5728d537-fb16-6943-5793-9291f1cabeba@gotplt.org>



On 07/12/22 13:34, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
> On 2022-12-07 05:01, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * Siddhesh Poyarekar:
>>
>>> On 2022-12-05 15:35, Florian Weimer via Libc-alpha wrote:
>>>> I think it's a backwards-incompatible change.  The existing manual page
>>>> documents the function as MT-Safe.
>>>> With this new policy, I don't think malloc_usable_size is useful for
>>>> anything at all, and we can just deprecate it (with a deprecation
>>>> warning message) and eventually remove it from linking (after
>>>> considering the impact on replacement malloc implementations, but I
>>>> don't think it will be problematic).
>>>
>>> We don't have consensus on deprecation unfortunately.  DJ is of the
>>> opinion that the limited use (knowing the usable size but not being
>>> able to do anything with it) may be useful enough for some programs.
>>> With that position, making it clear that the extra space is never
>>> safely usable and then just leaving it at that is probably the least
>>> worst out.
>>
>> Maybe we could add a deprecation warning just for -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3?
> 
> I'm all for deprecation, at least partial if not full.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sid

I tend to agree with full deprecation, systemd MALLOC_SIZEOF_SAFE is an
example of what user needs to hack around with an ill defined interface and
_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3 warning should be clear that keep it is not a gain in long 
term (besides adding even more trouble for portability).

Another possibility would to make malloc_usable_size always return the malloc
size argument (although it would add some internal metadata costs).

  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-07 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-24 21:32 Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-12-02  4:42 ` DJ Delorie
2022-12-02  5:00   ` Sam James
2022-12-02  5:28     ` DJ Delorie
2022-12-02 12:36       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-12-02 19:16         ` DJ Delorie
2022-12-02 19:49           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-12-02 19:57             ` DJ Delorie
2022-12-02 12:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2022-12-02 12:22   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-12-02 12:34     ` Andreas Schwab
2022-12-02 12:39       ` Florian Weimer
2022-12-05 18:46         ` Zack Weinberg
2022-12-05 19:04           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-12-05 20:35           ` Florian Weimer
2022-12-06 19:25             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-12-07 10:01               ` Florian Weimer
2022-12-07 16:34                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-12-07 16:54                   ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto [this message]
2022-12-07 16:57                     ` Sam James
2022-12-07 17:39                     ` Florian Weimer
2022-12-09 15:42                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2022-12-07 18:45                 ` DJ Delorie
2022-12-02 12:54     ` Florian Weimer
2022-12-02 13:54 Wilco Dijkstra

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