From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org (eggs.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::10]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 491F73858D37 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2023 17:15:44 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 491F73858D37 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gnu.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gnu.org Received: from linux-libre.fsfla.org ([2001:470:142:5::54] helo=free.home) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc7kE-00065F-BX; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 13:15:42 -0400 Received: from libre (libre.home [172.31.160.3]) by free.home (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 381F9INl005700 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 1 Sep 2023 12:09:18 -0300 From: Alexandre Oliva To: Joseph Myers Cc: "Carlos O'Donell" , "Ryan S. Arnold" , Paul Eggert , Maxim Kuvyrkov , Jakub Jelinek , Andreas Schwab , libc-alpha Subject: Re: [Action Required] glibc decision to use CTI services. Organization: Free thinker, not speaking for the GNU Project References: Errors-To: aoliva@lxoliva.fsfla.org Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:09:18 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Joseph Myers's message of "Wed, 30 Aug 2023 17:31:13 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Aug 30, 2023, Joseph Myers wrote: > On Wed, 30 Aug 2023, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> Even then, this would IMHO be a move for GNU to decide, or at the very >> least be consulted on, according to its own values and priorities, >> something that all mantainers appointed by GNU, myself included, >> committed ourselves to observe, prioritize and uphold as maintainers of >> GNU packages. I encourage other maintainers to justify their responses >> based on GNU's values and priorities, as they understand them. > I believe the LF has already agreed to implement the hosting entirely with > free software. Meeting basic requirements that, if not met, would make the service provider profoundly hostile to software freedom is a far cry from being in line with the movement's values. Are you familiar with the notion of SaaSS, Service as a Software Substitute? "LF has agreed to such and such" doesn't sound good for me. "We the community have decided to implement our own services so and so" would have made a lot of difference in avoiding the ills of SaaSS, but that doesn't seem to even be in the radar of the path that is being proposed. Now, this doesn't pertain to activities of publishing source code; publishing is not SaaSS. Remote merging, building, testing, and other activities that are being bundled with source code publishing services, however, are computing, community computing, and communities of such key projects ought to not only be careful to avoid enabling third parties to subjugate us through SaaSS, but also show other communities how to go about avoiding that. -- Alexandre Oliva, happy hacker https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo/ Free Software Activist GNU Toolchain Engineer Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Think Assange & Stallman. The empires strike back