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From: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>
To: Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org>
Cc: Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>, DJ Delorie <dj@redhat.com>,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert Abortion joke removal.
Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 16:28:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <orh8niqfi3.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79e15574-4550-2635-5e30-16a7ebf38ee9@gotplt.org> (Siddhesh Poyarekar's message of "Tue, 8 May 2018 15:58:41 +0530")

On May  8, 2018, Siddhesh Poyarekar <siddhesh@gotplt.org> wrote:

> No.  The intial commit got approvals from no less than 4 developers,

and opposition by one developer and the ultimate maintainer, and who
knows how many other silent opposers like myself who decided not to post
right away because there were other oppositions on the record already.

How can you argue it should have gone in anyway, without further
discussions?  How can you argue it was not rushed in despite the absence
of consensus?

> The revert patch was basically a unilateral decision given that there
> was no consensus on it.

Absence of opposition, per the rules, is consensus.

There were oppositions to the notion of keeping the patch, as part of
the larger discussion on whether or not the patch should be removed.
But there was no opposition whatsoever to my proposal to restore the
initial state, by reverting the patch that shouldn't have gone in in the
first place.

> It's not wrong given that Alex is an FSF steward and is probably
> within his right to do that but it is in bad faith given the sustained
> objections to the patch.

Even if we take as true your claim that there was sustained objection to
the temporary reversal proposal, there was also objection, sustained to
this date, to the initial patch, and it was there before the patch went
in.

What kind of specious argument could defend that one can go in ignoring
the objections, but the other that makes things the way they were
supposed to be can't?

-- 
Alexandre Oliva, freedom fighter    http://FSFLA.org/~lxoliva/
You must be the change you wish to see in the world. -- Gandhi
Be Free! -- http://FSFLA.org/   FSF Latin America board member
Free Software Evangelist|Red Hat Brasil GNU Toolchain Engineer

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-08 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 268+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <orin883lcl.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org>
2018-05-01  3:03 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-01 13:54   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  0:30     ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-02  3:28       ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  6:37         ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03  3:34           ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03  3:34           ` ISO standards Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:08         ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Zack Weinberg
2018-05-03  0:28           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-03  2:33             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  6:08               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05 15:44                 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-04  4:22               ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  1:48                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  2:49           ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  0:55         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05 11:45         ` @cartouche (was: [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke) Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-06  3:05           ` @cartouche Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-02  3:11     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-02  6:26       ` Ondřej Bílka
2018-05-02  6:36         ` Rical Jasan
2018-05-02  7:00         ` Javier Serrano Polo
2018-05-02  7:16           ` Rical Jasan
2018-05-03  3:34           ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03  3:34         ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-01 14:18   ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-02  3:09     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-03 10:48       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-01 14:45   ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-02  3:08     ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <2e49b0b7f6ba587e0a5d08e701212fd4@airmail.cc>
2018-05-01 14:53     ` rain1
2018-05-01 15:40   ` Rich Felker
     [not found]   ` <CAAKybw_h991qCFcLo1orG41gUOq3K-nur4mpn0ZO0Q832OhsoQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-05-01 15:52     ` Ryan S. Arnold
2018-05-02  3:07     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-01 16:12   ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-02  3:11     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:03       ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-04  4:18         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-02 19:56       ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04  4:20         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  6:52           ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04 10:02             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-04 10:18               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-07  2:01             ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  3:09               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  9:29               ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-07 20:21               ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 20:42                 ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-07 21:26                   ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-03  4:36       ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03  7:01         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-03 11:07           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-05-07 23:44             ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-05-08  1:00               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-03 13:53           ` Jeff Law
2018-05-03 12:28         ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-03 20:58           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-03 23:59             ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-05  4:49               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-04  1:09             ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-05  4:18               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06 19:01                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 19:17                   ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 20:19                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06 22:56                     ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-07  0:07                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  0:50                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  1:07                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  2:03                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  4:41                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07  6:13                                 ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 16:46                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 18:30                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 18:36                                       ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07 18:41                                         ` Jeff Law
2018-05-07 19:00                                           ` Adhemerval Zanella
2018-05-07 19:28                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 22:09                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 20:48                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  4:45                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  8:27                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 12:08                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 10:06                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 10:36                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 11:36                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 12:03                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 12:09                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 13:08                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 14:03                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:17                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 14:26                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:36                                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 15:01                                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 16:32                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 18:58                                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 14:21                                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 14:27                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 14:36                                                         ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:18                                             ` commit reversion without review (was: [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke) Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-08 16:22                                               ` commit reversion without review Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  1:48                                                 ` Dmitry V. Levin
2018-05-10  5:21                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  5:53                                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:32                                         ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 12:45                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 12:57                                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 14:37                                             ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08 16:36                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:08                                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 19:28                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:21                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  2:26                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 10:32                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 21:47                                                 ` Maurizio Manfredini
2018-05-07 13:07                                 ` [PATCH] Revert Abortion joke removal Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07 21:19                                   ` [PATCH] Revert Abort " Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 21:41                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-08  0:05                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  4:46                                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-07 22:09                                   ` [PATCH] Revert Abortion " Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 22:39                                     ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-07 23:45                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 23:51                                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-05-08  0:46                                           ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  1:08                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  5:04                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 15:20                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 16:25                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 17:51                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 17:54                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:25                                                       ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-08 19:34                                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:54                                                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-08 20:08                                                             ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09  2:40                                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:57                                                           ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-09  1:16                                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  3:52                                                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-10  4:41                                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  5:55                                                                   ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-10  6:49                                                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:38                                                           ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 18:32                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:34                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 17:19                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:15                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 20:09                                                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  3:04                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 10:52                                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 17:12                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  6:25                                                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 17:12                                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 17:46                                                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 23:51                                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  2:32                                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10  4:53                                                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 10:10                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2018-05-08 10:28                                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 16:28                                               ` Alexandre Oliva [this message]
2018-05-08 17:33                                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:38                                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 19:28                                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 18:22                                                 ` Jeff Law
2018-05-10  6:13                                                   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10 11:06                                                   ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-08  8:13                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08  2:04                                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  5:12                                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  5:18                                         ` Matt Turner
2018-05-08 15:19                                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  8:44                                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07  2:03                     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-08 15:55                       ` Joseph Myers
2018-05-09 19:56                         ` Rafal Luzynski
2018-05-07  6:55                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-05-07 19:18                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 19:57                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-06  3:17               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-06 18:00                 ` Zack Weinberg
2018-05-06 18:04                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-06 18:14                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-06 18:29                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-06 19:20                     ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-07  2:03                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 19:29                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-07 23:51                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 23:56                           ` Zach van Rijn
2018-05-08  0:11                           ` Lets add a joke to the manual Mark Wielaard
2018-05-08  1:28                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  1:41                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-08  5:13                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  9:07                               ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08  3:28                           ` Delete abortion joke Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  4:46                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 16:12                             ` [PATCH] manual: Improve quality of comic content in abort [BZ #23168] Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 17:20                               ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-11 17:46                                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 20:21                                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11 21:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                       ` <1525713151.19750.28.camel@jasp.net>
2018-05-08  1:55                         ` Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  2:03                   ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  2:22                     ` Carlos O'Donell
2018-05-07  2:04               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  2:56             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-04 16:32               ` Rich Felker
2018-05-04 16:40                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-05  4:07                 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-05  4:06               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-05  7:40                 ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-05 12:19                 ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-06  3:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-06  5:03                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-06  3:17               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07  7:45                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  1:53                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 20:56             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 21:29               ` Federico Leva (Nemo)
2018-05-07 23:25               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08  9:26                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-08 16:17                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-08 17:40                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08 18:55                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  5:51                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 17:12                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09 17:50                             ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 23:09                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  0:28                                 ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-10  5:03                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10  2:57                                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-10 11:43                                 ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-08 20:41                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  2:38                       ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-09  9:28                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 17:12                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-07 22:08             ` William Pitcock
2018-05-08  1:56               ` gag rule joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-08  3:26                 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09  3:39                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09  5:29                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09  8:42                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  9:00                       ` Chester Gregg
2018-05-09 23:58                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09 11:06                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 12:09                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 13:55                           ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 14:48                             ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 23:57                               ` Alexandre Oliva
2018-05-10 11:33                                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-11  2:34                                   ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-11  1:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-11  1:58                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2018-05-11  3:58                     ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-08  9:43                 ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09  3:34                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-09  8:34                     ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-09 10:59                       ` Javiera Serrano Polo
2018-05-09 12:05                         ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2018-05-09 12:34                         ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-04  4:20           ` [rain1@airmail.cc] Delete abortion joke Richard Stallman
2018-05-04  9:25             ` Florian Weimer
2018-05-05  4:05               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-08 10:55         ` Christian Brauner
2018-05-03 15:00   ` DJ Delorie
2018-05-03 17:05     ` Javier Serrano Polo
2018-05-05  4:02       ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-05  4:03     ` [rain1@airmail.cc] " Richard Stallman
2018-05-07 19:53       ` Torvald Riegel
2018-05-07 21:32   ` William Pitcock

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