From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org (eggs.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::10]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5E4E3858D33 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:23:06 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org B5E4E3858D33 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gnu.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gnu.org ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org B5E4E3858D33 Authentication-Results: server2.sourceware.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=2001:470:142:3::10 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1708377789; cv=none; b=d0wr6Co2dPwV6xNq0/WB+I/B1i44920a4/gBr3ZoeHLhfWpFtLu9DoMmswvpm8lISYNDM/rYHIBASupqfymycFwCC67E0yagMeu8/u7yrcmL4He7dyBTjNac9PzRRwpObXtGn40tU73QHYTMwVb5OBp5lIWSMxZgwokcUT57G7Y= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1708377789; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Q2Vv75p+90MTYHLzNehKBO7D03a8pHlensrlJ8h5r3Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version; b=ddMwFiNDCKpIc0jfS/17BCpk/0NEcrmVD38SWDjLU3RhuhlYeAr6mcCATdJ/ynFDaTmakb0p164eFGxiMr/IadPU+YadiDeD15ZHS6cIsAK5jOF37zgd/YvC7GFzR4p2syOOKdSwuLwmHjQhC96UiwuhsLvmCOOXPXiS/HLNIyA= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org Received: from linux-libre.fsfla.org ([2001:470:142:5::54] helo=free.home) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rcB6N-0003v2-Ts; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 16:23:04 -0500 Received: from livre (livre.home [172.31.160.2]) by free.home (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 41JLMoKx135163 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:22:51 -0300 From: Alexandre Oliva To: "Carlos O'Donell" Cc: "Ryan S. Arnold" , Paul Eggert , Maxim Kuvyrkov , Jakub Jelinek , Andreas Schwab , libc-alpha , Joseph Myers Subject: Re: [Action Required] glibc decision to use CTI services. Organization: Free thinker, not speaking for the GNU Project References: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:22:50 -0300 In-Reply-To: (Carlos O'Donell's message of "Mon, 12 Feb 2024 19:43:14 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Feb 12, 2024, "Carlos O'Donell" wrote: > On 9/27/23 09:50, Carlos O'Donell wrote: >> I agree completely with Joseph here that the repo criteria [1] are the relevant >> criteria to apply in this case. > We believe that we are satisfying all of the requirements that the FSF > and the GNU Project are requiring. Do you wish to raise any other FSF > or GNU Project requirements? I don't speak for the FSF or for GNU, and I'm not a party to any of the agreements you may have made with them, but I'd be surprised if the requirements were indeed satisfied. Outsourcing an individual's or a group's computing is SaaSS even when using Free Software, and SaaSS triggers basically the same obstacles to users' freedom that nonfree software does, but in a way that makes users even more helpless, so our movement rules out both SaaSS and nonfree software. >From what I know of the FSF and of the GNU project, they surely wouldn't be on board with that sort of outsourcing, and AFAICT that sort of outsourcing is precisely what's being proposed, so I recommend you check back with them. When you do, I suspect you'll find that your belief arises out of some sort of misunderstanding as to the requirements. -- Alexandre Oliva, happy hacker https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo/ Free Software Activist GNU Toolchain Engineer Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Think Assange & Stallman. The empires strike back