From: DJ Delorie <dj@redhat.com>
To: Adhemerval Zanella Netto <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>
Cc: christoph.muellner@vrull.eu, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
palmer@dabbelt.com, darius@bluespec.com, andrew@sifive.com,
vineetg@rivosinc.com, kito.cheng@sifive.com,
jeffreyalaw@gmail.com, philipp.tomsich@vrull.eu,
heiko.stuebner@vrull.eu
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/19] riscv: ifunc support with optimized mem*/str*/cpu_relax routines
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2023 12:16:20 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xna61pcs63.fsf@greed.delorie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fb9ab059-3087-1e25-d6f8-41a1ec6b6ee9@linaro.org>
Adhemerval Zanella Netto <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org> writes:
> So now we have 3 different proposal mechanism to provide implementation runtime
> selection on riscv:
>
> 1. The sysdep mechanism to select optimized routines based on compiler/ABI
> done at build time. It is the current mechanism and it is also used
> on rvv routines [1].
>
> 2. A ifunc one using a new riscv syscall to query the kernel the required
> information.
>
> 3. Another ifunc one using riscv specific environment variable.
I'm also going to oppose #3 on principles. We've been removing the use
of environment variables for tuning, in favor of tunables.
If we have a way to auto-detect the best implementation without relying
on the user, that's my preference. Users are unreliable and require
documentation. The compiler likely doesn't have access to the
hardware[*], so must rely on the user. Thus, my preference is #2 - the
kernel has access to the hardware and its device tree, and can tell the
userspace what capabilities are available.
I would not be opposed to a tunable that overrides the autodetection; we
have something similar for x86. But the default (and should be) is
"works basically correctly without user intervention".
[*] you can run gcc on the "right" hardware, but typically we
build-once-run-everywhere.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-02-07 17:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-07 0:15 Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 01/19] Inhibit early libcalls before ifunc support is ready Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 02/19] riscv: LEAF: Use C_LABEL() to construct the asm name for a C symbol Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 03/19] riscv: Add ENTRY_ALIGN() macro Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 04/19] riscv: Add hart feature run-time detection framework Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 05/19] riscv: Introduction of ISA extensions Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 06/19] riscv: Adding ISA string parser for environment variables Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 6:20 ` David Abdurachmanov
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 07/19] riscv: hart-features: Add fast_unaligned property Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 08/19] riscv: Add (empty) ifunc framework Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 09/19] riscv: Add ifunc support for memset Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 10/19] riscv: Add accelerated memset routines for RV64 Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 11/19] riscv: Add ifunc support for memcpy/memmove Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 12/19] riscv: Add accelerated memcpy/memmove routines for RV64 Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 13/19] riscv: Add ifunc support for strlen Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 14/19] riscv: Add accelerated strlen routine Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 15/19] riscv: Add ifunc support for strcmp Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 16/19] riscv: Add accelerated strcmp routines Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 11:57 ` Xi Ruoyao
2023-02-07 14:15 ` Christoph Müllner
2023-03-31 5:06 ` Jeff Law
2023-03-31 12:31 ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-03-31 14:30 ` Jeff Law
2023-03-31 14:48 ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-03-31 17:19 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-03-31 14:32 ` Jeff Law
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 17/19] riscv: Add ifunc support for strncmp Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 18/19] riscv: Add an optimized strncmp routine Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 1:19 ` Noah Goldstein
2023-02-08 15:13 ` Philipp Tomsich
2023-02-08 17:55 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2023-02-08 19:48 ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-02-08 18:04 ` Noah Goldstein
2023-02-07 0:16 ` [RFC PATCH 19/19] riscv: Add __riscv_cpu_relax() to allow yielding in busy loops Christoph Muellner
2023-02-07 0:23 ` Andrew Waterman
2023-02-07 0:29 ` Christoph Müllner
2023-02-07 2:59 ` [RFC PATCH 00/19] riscv: ifunc support with optimized mem*/str*/cpu_relax routines Kito Cheng
2023-02-07 16:40 ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto
2023-02-07 17:16 ` DJ Delorie [this message]
2023-02-07 19:32 ` Philipp Tomsich
2023-02-07 21:14 ` DJ Delorie
2023-02-08 11:26 ` Christoph Müllner
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