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From: DJ Delorie <dj@redhat.com>
To: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Rename "master" branch to "main"?
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:45:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xny2o3t9i4.fsf@greed.delorie.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8b35a8fb-031e-9be5-12f4-65c507a383cd@redhat.com> (carlos@redhat.com)

"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com> writes:
> A group of people have identified problematic language.

Was this a group of people who felt unwelcome in the glibc community?
Or are we acting without direct information again?  I recall the abort
joke discussion that included only two women (eventually) among the
dozens of men, is this a similar case where only the welcome people are
choosing what "welcome" means?

So far I've seen zero input from someone *actually* affected by this,
and anecdotally *one* who felt harmed by it:

https://lore.kernel.org/git/e198b1a5-e104-d0e5-8904-37ce3937316d@gmail.com/

This is not enough information to make a long-lasting decision with.  Or
do we have some hidden data that actually originated from the relevent
demographics?  If so, let's get it out in the open so we can make an
informed decision instead of just another case of the majority ruling
for the minority.

> Problematic language will *never end* and it will always be our
> responsibility to listen to people who are impacted by such
> language ...

Then let's hear from *those* people.  We, the old white male majority,
have done a terrible job in the past; we should not be allowed to make
these decisions on behalf of others any more.

(note: I don't feel strongly about the actual words, they're just words,
you can rename the master branch "platypus" for all I care.  I feel
strongly about engineers making choices based on uninformed emotional
beliefs instead of hard data.)


  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-01 17:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-30 18:10 Carlos O'Donell
2020-06-30 18:35 ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-30 20:16   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-06-30 21:08     ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-30 18:59 ` Florian Weimer
2020-06-30 20:14   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-01  9:38     ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-03 15:26   ` Richard Earnshaw
2020-07-03 15:33     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-06-30 21:24 ` Joseph Myers
2020-06-30 21:44   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-06-30 22:56     ` Joseph Myers
2020-06-30 22:59 ` DJ Delorie
2020-07-01  7:17   ` Andreas Schwab
2020-07-01 15:42     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-01 12:29   ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-07-01 12:49     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-01 13:41       ` Adhemerval Zanella
2020-07-01 16:15   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-01 17:45     ` DJ Delorie [this message]
2020-07-01 18:29       ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-01 18:43         ` DJ Delorie
2020-07-02 15:40 ` Zack Weinberg
2020-07-02 16:00   ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-02 16:36   ` Joseph Myers
2020-07-02 20:46     ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-04 16:43     ` Zack Weinberg
2020-07-02 20:58   ` Michael Kerrisk
2020-07-03 15:20     ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-04 16:52     ` Pseudoterminal terminology (was Re: Rename "master" branch to "main"?) Zack Weinberg
2020-07-05 14:54       ` J William Piggott
2020-07-06  9:18         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06  9:13       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-27 20:32         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-27 20:52           ` enh
2020-07-27 20:55             ` enh
2020-07-27 20:59               ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-27 22:48                 ` enh
2020-07-28 15:26             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-28 15:32               ` Florian Weimer
2020-07-28 15:44                 ` enh
2020-07-28 19:16                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-28 19:18                   ` enh
2020-07-28 18:47               ` enh
2020-07-28 19:27                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-28 19:33                   ` enh
2020-07-03 15:22 ` Rename "master" branch to "main"? Richard Earnshaw
2020-07-03 15:37   ` Carlos O'Donell
2020-07-13 15:14 ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-14  9:21 ` Mike Frysinger
2021-01-14 11:17   ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-01-14 17:54   ` Joseph Myers
2021-01-14 20:56     ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-14 21:42       ` Mike Frysinger
2021-01-20 13:49         ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-21  0:23           ` Mike Frysinger
2021-01-21 13:30             ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-21 13:57               ` Andreas Schwab
2021-01-21 17:06               ` Mike Frysinger
2021-01-21 19:37                 ` Carlos O'Donell
2021-01-21 20:19                   ` Andreas Schwab
2021-01-22  2:32                   ` Mike Frysinger

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