From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com [205.139.110.120]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578433857007 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:45:14 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 578433857007 Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-284-iWuTzp5INqGsQNPBUUGJyA-1; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:45:12 -0400 X-MC-Unique: iWuTzp5INqGsQNPBUUGJyA-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85B6A107ACCA for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from greed.delorie.com (ovpn-112-176.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.112.176]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A79960CD1; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from greed.delorie.com.redhat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greed.delorie.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 061Hj79W002850; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:45:07 -0400 From: DJ Delorie To: "Carlos O'Donell" Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: Rename "master" branch to "main"? In-Reply-To: <8b35a8fb-031e-9be5-12f4-65c507a383cd@redhat.com> (carlos@redhat.com) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 13:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.12 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: libc-alpha@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Libc-alpha mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 17:45:15 -0000 "Carlos O'Donell" writes: > A group of people have identified problematic language. Was this a group of people who felt unwelcome in the glibc community? Or are we acting without direct information again? I recall the abort joke discussion that included only two women (eventually) among the dozens of men, is this a similar case where only the welcome people are choosing what "welcome" means? So far I've seen zero input from someone *actually* affected by this, and anecdotally *one* who felt harmed by it: https://lore.kernel.org/git/e198b1a5-e104-d0e5-8904-37ce3937316d@gmail.com/ This is not enough information to make a long-lasting decision with. Or do we have some hidden data that actually originated from the relevent demographics? If so, let's get it out in the open so we can make an informed decision instead of just another case of the majority ruling for the minority. > Problematic language will *never end* and it will always be our > responsibility to listen to people who are impacted by such > language ... Then let's hear from *those* people. We, the old white male majority, have done a terrible job in the past; we should not be allowed to make these decisions on behalf of others any more. (note: I don't feel strongly about the actual words, they're just words, you can rename the master branch "platypus" for all I care. I feel strongly about engineers making choices based on uninformed emotional beliefs instead of hard data.)