From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mr4.vodafonemail.de (mr4.vodafonemail.de [145.253.228.164]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16BD53858D33 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:27:59 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 16BD53858D33 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=quarantine dis=none) header.from=arcor.de Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=arcor.de DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=arcor.de; s=vfde-mb-mr2-21dec; t=1693135676; bh=wtVEvcrCRLMHT1ERRxTZ0a+NDiVkg77VNCixKIm4I9s=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID: Content-Type:From; b=FB1Gd3leD4foAZ4htABXXKBzsLqYsxIx2ZkR39eYb6tmEqnetn2zZaUQdLXbFsPm7 8dx5DUtlkgbElgpxF1FxIf5Yn2LVmpintyuHMrLsaDaWBjOuQnUdewdWldVqU0Og9w pX7dU/5j17WGgdHcDFg5jg5SaYndYA0saKPLaVCo= Received: from smtp.vodafone.de (unknown [10.0.0.2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mr4.vodafonemail.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RYWdS2whJz1xx2; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dynamic-046-114-208-102.46.114.pool.telefonica.de [46.114.208.102]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.vodafone.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RYWd30fP3z9s46; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:27:29 +0000 From: Richard To: debian-68k@lists.debian.org, James Le Cuirot , Finn Thain , John Paul Adrian Glaubitz CC: libc-help@sourceware.org, debian-68k , linux-m68k Subject: Re: Tuple and changes for m68k with -malign-int In-Reply-To: <751c83150533b701d66ac24c8fe81863cf5eab98.camel@aura-online.co.uk> References: <10cbcb8a65639f88e7eeb503fd02df172bc46a07.camel@physik.fu-berlin.de> <80a52487-3105-ed5b-a1eb-ec1a0689ef21@linux-m68k.org> <751c83150533b701d66ac24c8fe81863cf5eab98.camel@aura-online.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate: clean X-purgate-size: 844 X-purgate-ID: 155817::1693135672-DAFFA7FF-3570C6F9/0/0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On August 27, 2023 9:20:16 AM UTC, James Le Cuirot wrote: >On Sun, 2023-08-27 at 10:46 +1000, Finn Thain wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >>=20 >> > On Sat, 2023-08-26 at 09:53 +0100, James Le Cuirot wrote: >>=20 >> > >>=20 >> If the kernel breaks the ABI, that's a bug, not an excuse=2E=20 =2E=2E=2E =2E=2E=2E >I do know that m68k Linux has been significantly slower since the transit= ion >from linuxthreads to NPTL due to the lack of a spare register, but I gath= er >nothing can be done about that=2E Thanks for saying that=2E Radically redefining "c" after 35 years of exist= ence for next to zero gain wasn't such a great idea imho=2E I hope the kernel ABI can remain stable and everything else is the problem= of libraries? Richard=20