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From: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@systemhalted.org>
To: noloader@gmail.com
Cc: Peng Yu <pengyu.ut@gmail.com>, libc-help <libc-help@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: Best reference for understanding ELF format
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:51:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAE2sS1jHb39bLGtRZuqEaEOGu-HXHB1NxSfoSxPgXQG0VFWcEA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH8yC8=5f2vbP4NtHs6Zt2tTQnJG60z2Pdbep4QZ404iiQvr4w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:39 PM Jeffrey Walton via Libc-help
<libc-help@sourceware.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:29 PM Peng Yu via Libc-help
> <libc-help@sourceware.org> wrote:
> > ...
> > People don't usually directly call ld to generate object, executable
> > or shared library files.
> >
> > Instead, gcc/clang are called. So there is nothing wrong to say those
> > files are produced by gcc/clang, at least at a superficially level.
> > You can say that gcc/clang don't directly produce the ELF files.
> > Nevertheless, this doesn't add too much to the topic of this thread.
>
> I think Clang can produce object files directly. Clang has an
> integrated assembler.

Conceptually the point is the same though.

The compiler relies on an assembler and static linker to generate the
object files.

Whether that assembler is a library and the invocation is a library
call, or it's a secondary process via a pipe, the concept being
discussed is the same.

The compiler itself (language front end, or driver) doesn't produce
ELF format object files. Technical clarity around these distinctions
helps at a later stage when we're trying to explain other concepts
where the distinction matters or where the distinction is muddled e.g.
LTO, ThinLTO etc.

Cheers,
Carlos.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-20 16:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-16  3:38 Peng Yu
2021-04-16  3:47 ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-17 12:31   ` Peng Yu
2021-04-19  7:29     ` Szabolcs Nagy
2021-04-19  7:53       ` Florian Weimer
2021-04-20  1:58       ` Peng Yu
2021-04-20  7:08         ` tomas
2021-04-20 13:19         ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-20 13:40           ` Peng Yu
2021-04-20 14:18             ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-20 15:12               ` Peng Yu
2021-04-20 16:39                 ` Jeffrey Walton
2021-04-20 16:51                   ` Carlos O'Donell [this message]
2021-04-21  3:19                     ` Peng Yu
2021-04-20 17:55                   ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-20 18:01                 ` Mike Frysinger
2021-04-20  8:14     ` Jeffrey Walton

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