From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15061 invoked by alias); 5 Aug 2015 11:51:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-locales-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-locales-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 64879 invoked by uid 89); 5 Aug 2015 10:22:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50,RDNS_DYNAMIC,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-User: qpsmtpd, 2 recipients X-HELO: www.open-std.org Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:51:00 -0000 From: keld@keldix.com To: Marko Myllynen , GNU C Library , libc-locales@sourceware.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove locale timezone information Message-ID: <20150805102233.GA12350@www5.open-std.org> References: <556F23C9.3030500@redhat.com> <557AE725.5050104@redhat.com> <20150805090748.GH26572@vapier> <20150805100126.GA11842@www5.open-std.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150805100126.GA11842@www5.open-std.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-SW-Source: 2015-q3/txt/msg00056.txt.bz2 On Wed, Aug 05, 2015 at 12:01:26PM +0200, keld@keldix.com wrote: > On Wed, Aug 05, 2015 at 05:07:48AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On 12 Jun 2015 17:05, Marko Myllynen wrote: > > > as discussed in the thread starting at > > > > > > https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2015-06/msg00098.html > > > > > > it looks like the best options is to remove locale timezone information > > > from locales which currently provide it (in incomplete or incorrect > > > fashion) rather than to start duplicating tzdata info in glibc. > > > > thanks, pushed now! > > -mike > > That is the wrong direction. Please revert the change. Let me explain. We would like to make the installation process easier for users. That is, if we can remove one more question under the installation process of linux, that would be a goal. If the timezone is fully determined by the choice of locale, then there is no need to ask for the timezone. Currently the timezone is often determined by a click on a map, which is quite error prone, because the world is big and it is hard to hit the right place. That process is also time consuming. Some users omit the step, just using the default, which is often wrong. Furthermore it is not politically correct timezone information in these apps, they give the time zone as a city name, which is quite politicalle problematic There is a growing political uproar against the big cities and the associated political powers. We just had an elelction here in Denmark where this issue (Not Linux locale names, but country vs the capital:-) were probably the most defining issue. Also think of the USA with Washington DC against rural America. For countries with more timezones, the locale data helps narrowing down the choices. And there are not that many countries with more than 1 timezone, eg USA, Canada, Russia and Greenland. Many big countries like China and India only have 1 timezone , and the countries in Europe and Africa and South America and Asia almost all have only 1 timezone. So the locale timezone info helps doing an easier job - and also a more culturally acceptable job. I hope we are all for going in that direction. Best regards keld