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From: Keld Simonsen <keld@keldix.com>
To: "van.de.bugger at gmail dot com" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
Cc: libc-locales@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 02:22:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160117022205.GB3933@rap.rap.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-10871-716-XbvvmkeRT3@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:22:38AM +0000, van.de.bugger at gmail dot com wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #25 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
> (In reply to Mike Frysinger from comment #20)
> 
> > i think you might have missed some of the things Rafal said.  he is correct
> > when he said BSD because they already have a format specifier for this: %OB.
> > POSIX does *not* support this today (see the linked POSIX bug report for
> > more details) which leads us to the multiple choices he outlined in comment
> > #7.
> 
> 1. I do not understand what do you mean by "POSIX does *not* support this
> today". POSIX is a standard, not an implementation, and O and E modifiers are
> described in the standard, see
> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/strftime.html 
> 
> 2. By this description, O modifier is applicable to d, e, H, I, m, M, S, u, U,
> V, w, W, and y. OB is BSD-specific *extension* to POSIX.
> 
> 3. %OB is not just BSD extension, it is also ugly hack which likely does not
> solve the problem. BSD offers only two cases for month name ??? %B and %OB, while
> in Russian language a noun has six cases, in Finnish ??? more than dozen. I am
> not a linguist and not aware about other languages, but it is obviously 2 cases
> cannot cover all the needs.

Well, can we see what is the extent of the problem?
Russian, Polish, possibly all of the Slavian languages, Finnish,
Hungarian, Estonian?

One could also list all the grammatical cases,  number them and make a notation
in the format specifiers, but if the already implemented and specified
solution solves the problem for all languages with this problem, then
an extended solution could be overkill.

Best regards
Keld

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-17  2:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2011-02-28  5:12 ` [Bug localedata/10871] Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2012-11-18  7:49 ` a.m.suharev at gmail dot com
2012-11-18 12:23 ` [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases ldv at altlinux dot org
2013-06-11 20:57 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2014-07-01  5:56 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-07-01  5:56 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-09-11  0:39 ` samos-project at meta dot ua
2014-09-11  1:57 ` samos-project at meta dot ua
2014-09-11  7:14 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2015-10-28  2:59 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2015-10-28 21:33 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2015-11-19  1:56 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2015-11-20 18:40 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2015-11-26 23:50 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:18 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:29 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:34 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:39 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:46 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:54 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  3:09 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-08 21:03 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-01-13 21:20 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-13 23:50 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-01-14 12:38   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-01-14 12:40 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-01-14 12:51 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-01-14 13:31   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-01-14 13:34 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-01-14 14:42 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-01-17  0:23 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17  2:22   ` Keld Simonsen [this message]
2016-01-17  0:29 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17  2:11   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-01-17  1:06 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17  2:12 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-01-17  2:28 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-01-17  8:07 ` kon at iki dot fi
2016-01-17 14:03 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17 15:57   ` Egmont Koblinger
2016-01-17 14:39 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2016-01-17 19:48 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2016-01-17 19:48 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17 22:42 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-18  1:31 ` kon at iki dot fi
2016-01-19  1:30 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-20  7:13 ` kon at iki dot fi
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2016-01-21 23:16 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-23  7:27 ` kon at iki dot fi
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2016-03-03 14:06 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2016-03-04 22:33 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
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2017-03-20  9:11   ` Keld Simonsen
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2017-03-20  9:14 ` keld at keldix dot com
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