From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51230 invoked by alias); 2 Oct 2019 22:14:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-locales-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-locales-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 51153 invoked by uid 89); 2 Oct 2019 22:14:03 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 spammy=pa, HX-Languages-Length:1679, H*x:Mailer, H*UA:Mailer X-HELO: eggs.gnu.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=lingonborough.com; s=1568761524.internal; t=1570054435; bh=kfErny4Ydm/flvP9OFQesY+8KGvEBk2XGbqK4a1pYW8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=StSbySVoc34eslz6BVmB9pO6rJCWkPFNTyK75lGTL+DoEUU+yCQPMxMsa0NMAcrgd xk7BK1QC/oVsKdqMB9Kb1gSlSPSVFg+tRM8xMniZSmn1VAJ+E63NDLuFPoOx9RFvsk /e5FpONkIst28zbNgeD8aN+ntm7t5UAs8XZYkJsg2e6ibvmBivugp+BTpub/wZgjwW j96ZeWLVfqcCAwUXHMvEhF6Meov1m0mpJGuEunzf4Aw5WbbORJ8mePgx6Nf6GK2N9t DT+9f+VtUy2/ByqQyILOMerW2bQVuRx+SiqEntT5mxVOQgyzCEeNDBm0nbli0tyEX0 Wsp+C8+9Ize/w== Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 22:14:00 -0000 From: Rafal Luzynski To: Keld Simonsen Cc: Mikhail Gribanov , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, bug-glibc-locales@gnu.org Message-ID: <394513676.949674.1570054369267@poczta.nazwa.pl> In-Reply-To: <20191001205442.GB12438@www5.open-std.org> References: <1260007467.786529.1569624500330@poczta.nazwa.pl> <20190928173736.GA12877@rap.rap.dk> <1380310075.857991.1569959113276@poczta.nazwa.pl> <20191001205442.GB12438@www5.open-std.org> Subject: Re: Incorrect days of the week in ru_UA locale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 85.128.223.163 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-SW-Source: 2019-q4/txt/msg00005.txt.bz2 1.10.2019 22:54 Keld Simonsen wrote: > [...] > I am also a native speaker of one of those languages, Danish, A test: $ LANG=3Dda_DK.utf8 date tor 3 okt 00:00:05 CEST 2019 $ LANG=3Dru_RU.utf8 date =D0=A7=D1=82 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82 3 00:00:23 CEST 2019 $ LANG=3Dpl_PL.utf8 date czw, 3 pa=C5=BA 2019, 00:00:31 CEST Do I understand correctly that "tor" is correct here? If yes, it is OK, I am not an expert at your language. :-) I would say that Polish "czw" is not correct. Indeed, normally we write weekday names (and month names) lowercase but as this is the beginning of a sentence the uppercase first letter would be better. For the same reason I think that Russian "=D0=A7=D1=82" is correct even if CLDR says otherwise. > and moreover I was the initial contributer of about 60 of the locales incl > ru_RU, > that Urich Drepper picked up for glibc. I am also the editor of ISO 14652 > and ISO 30112 that provided extensions > beyond Posix i18n functionality, and I provide guidance for their use. I know and therefore I respect your opinion. > My advice is that this bad policy to have wrongly > capitalized names here.=20 I think we don't have a consensus here and therefore I will not push this commit unless someone convinces me to push it. > [...] > > Back about the main problem, I would like to post a patch which would > > be the best explanation what I mean in this particular case. >=20 > What would it say?=20 I think I posted it just while you were writing your message. I will appreciate if you take a look. It does not say clearly whether upper/lowercase letters are correct, just that ru_UA should be a copy of ru_RU. Regards, Rafal