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From: Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org>
To: keld@keldix.com, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: Marko Myllynen <myllynen@redhat.com>,
	GNU C Library <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>,
	libc-locales@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Removing locale timezone information
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:07:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55CB570B.6020600@archlinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150812140837.GA23436@www5.open-std.org>

On 13/08/15 00:08, keld@keldix.com wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 08:52:31AM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote:
>> keld@keldix.com wrote:
>>> So glibc has no way of making quick corrections appear in distros?
>>> I think most other critical software has a path to have eg security fixes
>>> happen very fast in distros.
>>
>> It's typically harder to update glibc than to update time zone data.  This 
>> is partly a matter of size (glibc's files are an order of magnitude larger 
>> than tzdata's), and partly a matter of release engineering (changing tzdata 
>> has far fewer security and reliability implications than changing glibc 
>> does).  We don't want to treat every minor daylight-saving rule change with 
>> the same urgency and thoroughness as we treat a serious security bug in 
>> glibc.  And this is why most (perhaps all) GNU/Linux distributions have 
>> decoupled tzdata from glibc.
> 
> My impression is that timezone changes are normally announced in due time
> so that they can be included in normal glibc release schedule, which
> I think is about twice a year, but irregulary. I have not been down into
> the data, tho.

I can recall a couple of occasions where there was a very short notice.
 e.g. last week, North Korea changed its timezone, effective on the 15th.

Going through the archives of tz-announce [1], shows plenty of short
notice changes.

It seems you should look at actual data before making these assertions.

Allan

[1] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz-announce/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-08-12 21:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-03 15:57 Marko Myllynen
2015-06-03 21:33 ` keld
2015-06-05  8:28   ` Marko Myllynen
2015-08-06 21:45     ` keld
2015-08-06 21:45       ` pinskia
2015-08-06 21:46         ` keld
2015-08-07  2:33         ` Rich Felker
2015-08-07  0:45       ` Mike Frysinger
2015-08-09 21:12         ` keld
2015-08-07 21:49       ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-09 21:12         ` keld
2015-08-09 21:12           ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]             ` <20150812140837.GA23436@www5.open-std.org>
2015-08-12 21:07               ` Zack Weinberg
2015-08-12 23:13                 ` Keld Simonsen
2015-08-12 23:13                   ` Allan McRae
2015-08-12 21:07               ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-12 21:07               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-12 21:07               ` Allan McRae [this message]
2015-06-03 21:33 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-12 14:05 ` [PATCH] Remove " Marko Myllynen
2015-08-05  9:07   ` Mike Frysinger
2015-08-05 11:51     ` keld
2015-08-05 11:51       ` keld
2015-08-05 10:53         ` Mike Frysinger
2015-08-05 11:52           ` keld
2015-08-05 12:39             ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-05 13:09               ` keld
2015-08-05 13:33             ` Mike Frysinger
2015-08-05 15:56               ` Keld Simonsen
2015-08-05 16:30                 ` Joseph Myers
2015-08-06 21:46                   ` Keld Simonsen
2015-08-06 21:46                     ` Joseph Myers
2015-08-06 21:46                     ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-06 21:46                       ` Zack Weinberg
2015-08-06  2:53                 ` Mike Frysinger
2015-08-05 11:52         ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-05 11:52           ` keld
2015-08-05 12:30             ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-05 13:03               ` keld
2015-08-05 16:30         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-06  2:56           ` Mike Frysinger
2015-08-06 17:13             ` keld
2015-08-06 17:13               ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-06 17:22                 ` keld
2015-08-06 17:14               ` pinskia
2015-08-06 17:25                 ` keld
2015-08-06 17:14           ` keld

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