From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 60826 invoked by alias); 3 Oct 2019 06:24:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-locales-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-locales-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 60682 invoked by uid 89); 3 Oct 2019 06:24:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 spammy=HX-Spam-Relays-External:4864, H*r:4864, H*RU:4864, HX-detected-operating-system:Genre X-HELO: eggs.gnu.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OTRTjNKO9P2rqP8MzvhYKXBIqnnpFB9v+8LWe+freYk=; b=Dkq9oK/5/aGBJk21PxuVmFBd+k/PLfnCIZScmvYymJ/hYiG9B/nO/RcQ1gt+jb0Y5P M0catHyrQK6fAfAQU6rDo5fwH6xuLnfeVca1LfmOMsC/bdK38V7ta5zW5mR+JhUlO+1L UGGYZ+KDDGRyBhmNKylGCbZCTUawHivP2emLWf2btaXucnKocpDZxVlH8Ps+DTogr330 Y7Zbp9hkdZZtOe/6BKZ+9lWV6yuLEUFkyOHhX5gnlfIBXK7nNuSoXS1vHzS26isMJPmg vIYz50Fg1yZpn1fr/drdLvxp14ulX0+RGv9QUZEgRN4AR77be0ws2XDwM5cCct8vwPGc nEPg== MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1260007467.786529.1569624500330@poczta.nazwa.pl> <20190928173736.GA12877@rap.rap.dk> <1380310075.857991.1569959113276@poczta.nazwa.pl> <20191001205442.GB12438@www5.open-std.org> <394513676.949674.1570054369267@poczta.nazwa.pl> In-Reply-To: <394513676.949674.1570054369267@poczta.nazwa.pl> From: Mikhail Gribanov Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 06:24:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Incorrect days of the week in ru_UA locale To: Rafal Luzynski Cc: Keld Simonsen , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, bug-glibc-locales@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::229 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-SW-Source: 2019-q4/txt/msg00006.txt.bz2 >A test: >$ LANG=3Dru_RU.utf8 date >=D0=A7=D1=82 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82 3 00:00:23 CEST 2019 Actually, correct is "=D0=A7=D1=82, 3 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82 2019, 00:00:23 CES= T". Android uses a similar datetime format string. In any case, I appeal to everyone. The discussion escalated from a discussion of one small bug in discussions with which letters to use. It is not so important for me. Big letters, small - no difference. Ordinary users can fix it on their side. Date formatting in Linux is a complete mess (at least in RU/UA locales), so manual intervention is always required. Please fix the translation bug first. I even offered you a solution: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D25044 Copy abday values from ru_RU to ru_UA. That=E2=80=99s all I want. Uppercase= or lowercase discussion does not apply to this bug in any way. Thank you for understanding. =D1=87=D1=82, 3 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 01:13, Rafal Luzyns= ki : > > 1.10.2019 22:54 Keld Simonsen wrote: > > [...] > > I am also a native speaker of one of those languages, Danish, > > A test: > > $ LANG=3Dda_DK.utf8 date > tor 3 okt 00:00:05 CEST 2019 > $ LANG=3Dru_RU.utf8 date > =D0=A7=D1=82 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82 3 00:00:23 CEST 2019 > $ LANG=3Dpl_PL.utf8 date > czw, 3 pa=C5=BA 2019, 00:00:31 CEST > > Do I understand correctly that "tor" is correct here? If yes, > it is OK, I am not an expert at your language. :-) > > I would say that Polish "czw" is not correct. Indeed, normally > we write weekday names (and month names) lowercase but as this is > the beginning of a sentence the uppercase first letter would be > better. For the same reason I think that Russian "=D0=A7=D1=82" is corre= ct > even if CLDR says otherwise. > > > and moreover I was the initial contributer of about 60 of the locales i= ncl > > ru_RU, > > that Urich Drepper picked up for glibc. I am also the editor of ISO 146= 52 > > and ISO 30112 that provided extensions > > beyond Posix i18n functionality, and I provide guidance for their use. > > I know and therefore I respect your opinion. > > > My advice is that this bad policy to have wrongly > > capitalized names here. > > I think we don't have a consensus here and therefore I will not push > this commit unless someone convinces me to push it. > > > [...] > > > Back about the main problem, I would like to post a patch which would > > > be the best explanation what I mean in this particular case. > > > > What would it say? > > I think I posted it just while you were writing your message. > I will appreciate if you take a look. It does not say clearly whether > upper/lowercase letters are correct, just that ru_UA should be a copy > of ru_RU. > > Regards, > > Rafal