[Bug localedata/10871] Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form

[Bug localedata/10871] Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form

[van.de.bugger at gmail dot com]

http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871

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--- Comment #3 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com 2011-02-27 22:43:44 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #2)
> You'll have to provide a complete patch.

I could provide a patch, but there is a problem in specification. Neither "man
5 locale" nor "man date" specify the case of name. It is not clear whether it
should be nominative, genitive or some another case.

For example, "date +'%d %B %Y'" produces "28 Февраль 2011" which looks
incorrect (the first letter should be small, not capital, the form should be ).
However, "date +'%B, %d-e'" produces "Февраль, 28-e" which looks correct. "date
+'%B'" produces just months name "Февраль". I cannot say whether it correct or
not without context.

The only clue could be `d_fmt' and `date_fmt' (but latter one is not described
in "man 5 locale") values in locale definition file. It looks like date string
produced with `date_fmt' should be correct, which means it Russian locale month
name (%B) should be in genitive case. But it may break some existing programs
which expect month name in nominative case...

The solution could be extending `mon' array. For example, it could contain 12,
24, or even more elements. Element #1 is name of January in nominative case,
element #13 is name of January in genitive case, #25 is the name of January in
some 3rd case, etc. `%B' is name of month in nominative case, `%1B' is the same
as `%B', `%2B' is the name of months in genitive case, `%3B' is the name of
months in the "3rd" case, etc.

Alternatively, it could be multidimensional array, so in construct `%nB' n
selects the proper dimension.

Any thoughts on that?

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[Bug localedata/10871] Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form

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--- Comment #4 from a.m.suharev at gmail dot com 2012-11-18 07:28:57 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> (In reply to comment #2)
> > You'll have to provide a complete patch.
> 
> I could provide a patch, but there is a problem in specification. Neither "man
> 5 locale" nor "man date" specify the case of name. It is not clear whether it
> should be nominative, genitive or some another case.

If it is not specified, we should follow the language's rules. If it would be
specified it has to be specified in accordance with the language's rules. So
let me as a "native speaker" to suggest the solution.

Both months and weekdays should be in lower case. The correct form of date
should be "28 февраля" (the genitive). If you add a weekday it is "понедельник,
28 февраля" (nominative for the weekday, genitive for month). A year, if
necessary, should be after the day, optionally followed by the word "года" or
the abbreviation "г.", line this "понедельник, 28 февраля 2011 года".

> The solution could be extending `mon' array. For example, it could contain 12,
> 24, or even more elements. Element #1 is name of January in nominative case,
> element #13 is name of January in genitive case, #25 is the name of January in
> some 3rd case, etc. `%B' is name of month in nominative case, `%1B' is the same
> as `%B', `%2B' is the name of months in genitive case, `%3B' is the name of
> months in the "3rd" case, etc.
> 
> Alternatively, it could be multidimensional array, so in construct `%nB' n
> selects the proper dimension.
> 
> Any thoughts on that?

I think one should definitely extend the "mon" array. However the better idea
would be to put there not the cases (nominative, genitive etc) but the contexts
(month's name "as-is", month's name "when used in a date" etc). The array could
be extensible.

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[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

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--- Comment #5 from Dmitry V. Levin <ldv at altlinux dot org> 2012-11-18 12:20:56 UTC ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> (In reply to comment #3)
> > (In reply to comment #2)
> > > You'll have to provide a complete patch.
> > 
> > I could provide a patch, but there is a problem in specification. Neither "man
> > 5 locale" nor "man date" specify the case of name. It is not clear whether it
> > should be nominative, genitive or some another case.
> 
> If it is not specified, we should follow the language's rules.

And the language rules require to use nominative or genitive or some another
case depending on context.

> If it would be
> specified it has to be specified in accordance with the language's rules. So
> let me as a "native speaker" to suggest the solution.
> 
> Both months and weekdays should be in lower case.

It depends.

> The correct form of date
> should be "28 февраля" (the genitive).

Yes, but "февраль, 28-е" is also correct.

> > The solution could be extending `mon' array. For example, it could contain 12,
> > 24, or even more elements. Element #1 is name of January in nominative case,
> > element #13 is name of January in genitive case, #25 is the name of January in
> > some 3rd case, etc. `%B' is name of month in nominative case, `%1B' is the same
> > as `%B', `%2B' is the name of months in genitive case, `%3B' is the name of
> > months in the "3rd" case, etc.
> > 
> > Alternatively, it could be multidimensional array, so in construct `%nB' n
> > selects the proper dimension.
> > 
> > Any thoughts on that?
> 
> I think one should definitely extend the "mon" array. However the better idea
> would be to put there not the cases (nominative, genitive etc) but the contexts
> (month's name "as-is", month's name "when used in a date" etc). The array could
> be extensible.

Yes, putting "mon" array in a single case (no matter whether it would be
nominative, genitive or other case) cannot fix the issue, it would just fix
some language forms and break other language forms.  To fix the issue, an
extension is necessary.

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--- Comment #6 from Ruslan Ivanyuk <samos-project at meta dot ua> ---
The problem persists as of September 11, 2014, and concerns all Slavonic
languages except Bulgarian and Macedonian (where declination is reduced). Among
them are languages: Belarusian, Czech, Polish, Pomeranian/Kashubian, Russian,
Rusyn, Slovak, Slovene, Serbo-Croatian (Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian,
Montenegrin), Silesian, Upper and Lower Sorbian and Ukrainian. But not only in
Slavonic, other languages using noun declinations are injured too. Finnish, for
instance, is one extraordinary case that uses all three, nominative, genitive
and partitive case month names.

The CLDR manages to fix the issue by introducing several data arrays to serve
that specific purpose, both full and abbreviated versions (in case one needs
those). In addition, it has correctly abbreviated weekday names. Unfortunately,
I have no programming skills whatsoever to submit code that solves anything.

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--- Comment #7 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
I'll be happy to provide a complete solution for this problem but some API
design questions must be answered first.

Please note that CLDR mentions only "standalone" version of the month name
which is probably always nominative, and "format" version which may be the same
as "standalone" (e.g., in English) but may be genitive in some languages, it
may also be another case in some other languages. For simplicity I will refer
to these cases as nominative/genitive keeping in mind that CLDR refers to them
as standalone/format. Also there may be languages which use other forms than
nominative/genitive but I think there are probably always at most two forms
since CLDR has decided to consider only two.


I. strftime() - http://linux.die.net/man/3/strftime

This function supports only one format which provides the full month name: %B.
At the moment there is no way for this function to provide multiple forms of
the full month name. Here are the API designs which would provide a full month
name:

1. Do not change the API, implement an internal algorithm which would analyze a
full format string and determine whether %B should format the month name in a
nominative or genitive case. The simplest algorithm would check if %d or %e
conversion specifiers are also present in the same format string, retrieve a
genitive case if they are, nominative otherwise. More advanced version could
check if the day and month conversion specifiers are adjacent, if they are
separated with other conversion specifiers, with space/punctuation/other
characters, if there are other letters concatenated with %B (which would mean
that the caller already tries to provide a workaround for this bug), if the
day/month order is correct (this is true only if day/month order is correct and
month/day order is incorrect in all these languages).

Pros:
- once implemented correctly it will automagically fix all affected
applications,
- even if the implementation will not be perfect for some languages the result
will not be worse than the one currently existing: it will not break any
currently correct application,
- if it turns out that this solution is completely wrong it will be easy to
revert it and provide another one because we don't change the API.

Cons:
- may be difficult to implement,
- it is questionable if a perfect algorithm exists for all affected languages,
even if we check it for all languages mentioned in the comment 6 there may be
other languages which we don't know about and which also require the
nominative/genitive case but use different rules,
- it is questionable how to handle the format strings which are incorrect from
grammatical point of view: please note that strftime() API does not and should
not say that there are illegal combination of the conversion specifiers.

2. Follow the specification already used in *BSD family (which also includes OS
X and iOS): https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=strftime&sektion=3. They
implement the %OB conversion specifier which retrieves the nominative case
while %B specifier retrieves the genitive case (sic!)

Pros:
- full portability between glibc and *BSD,
- simple and deterministic implementation,
- full programmer's control on whether they want a nominative or genitive case,
- will automagically fix all dates using %B conversion specifiers and
displaying the nominative case which is incorrect (full dates).

Cons:
- at the same time will break formatting of all dates using %B conversion
specifiers where the nominative case is required and is correctly provided now,
the application developer may not even be aware that the application became
broken in some languages,
- therefore will require urgent intervention from some application developers,
- it will be difficult or even impossible to provide a backward compatible
solution which would detect if the current runtime version of glibc requires
%OB or %B for the month name in nominative case,
- one may question if the *BSD decision to retrieve a genitive case from %B is
correct since it causes so much trouble.

3. Mimic the *BSD specification but implement it conversely: let %B retrieve
the nominative case (as it currently does) and let the new %OB specifier
retrieve the genitive case. See also:
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=258 - this seems to has accepted this
solution.

Pros:
- simple and deterministic implementation,
- full programmer's control on whether they want a nominative or genitive case,
- full backward compatibility,
- will not break any existing application.

Cons:
- portability with *BSD family will never be possible (format specifiers war),
- will require intervention from the application developers but it will not be
urgent because it will apply only the cases where they use %B explicitly and
this is already incorrect.

I would choose the first solution: not to change the API and try to provide a
smart algorithm which would determine if the month name retrieved by %B should
be nominative or genitive but I will listen to your opinion.


II. nl_langinfo() - http://linux.die.net/man/3/nl_langinfo

Although strftime() does not call nl_langinfo() directly both these functions
use the same backend database. We will need the new constants to be defined in
langinfo.h, for example ALTMON_{1-12} and their wide-character equivalents
_NL_WALTMON_{1-12}. This means it will affect the API of nl_langinfo() by
adding new valid argument values. Please note that I am talking in the context
of https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749206 and the implementation of
g_date_time_printf() does call nl_langinfo() to retrieve the month names. I
hope it is valid to add these new symbols after _NL_TIME_CODESET and name them
ALTMON_{1-12} and _NL_WALTMON_{1-12}.

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--- Comment #8 from Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail dot com> ---
*** Bug 15606 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #9 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Created attachment 8795
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Proposed solution: alternative month names + smart algorithm

Good news: here is a working patch so please check, test, review, comment. It
implements the solution with "%B" format specifier smartly expanding into a
nominative or genitive (alternative) case depending on the current context. It
hopefully does not break any existing solution and is fully backward
compatible.

I have also provided the new locales for Polish, Russian and Ukrainian. I have
checked this with CLDR data but feel free to drop the changes to these files if
you think that other people should provide them. Please note that without the
changed locales you would not see the effect of the code change. For Russian I
have also changed the nominative month names to lowercase because some people
requested it here. For Ukrainian I have removed the "alternative digits" hack
and used the already provided genitive month names as the alternative names.

There are also some bad news:

1. The coreutils package (date, du) provides its own function fprintftime()
which tries to bypass strftime() as much as possible and if it calls strftime()
it retrieves only the month name so this patch will be unable to detect the
"full date" context and provide the correct genitive form. This means that
/usr/bin/date is not a good tool to test this patch. Perhaps it needs a patch
similar to this one.

2. I had to introduce the new locale field day_month_order which will be
available as nl_langinfo(_NL_DAY_MONTH_ORDER) and will determine if:
- only a day number before a month name forces the genitive month name (1),
- only a day number after a month name forces the genitive month name (3),
- both above orders force the genitive month name or this does not matter
because the current language does not provide the alternative month names (2,
default value when not specified).
Unfortunately, there is no universal rule for all languages. As stated in
comment 5, Russian requires a genitive case if a day number is before the month
name but a nominative case when reversed, both orders are correct. Other
languages require the day number to be before the month name and do not allow
to reverse them but we should not crash on grammatical errors, instead we
should provide the closest result to the requirement. On the other hand,
Lithuanian requires the month name to be before the day number and in the
genitive case.

3. There are more languages which suffer from this bug. It is possible to
retrieve the correct alternative month names from CLDR but I am not sure if
this task should be a part of this bugfix or should be left to the native
translators. I can provide more of them but providing all sounds like a
horrible task.

4. I am not sure if you like the idea of "%B" to be smartly converted to the
correct form of the month name. I will appreciate your feedback.

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--- Comment #10 from Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail dot com> ---
I think you need to send the patch to libc-alpha:
https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Contribution%20checklist

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--- Comment #11 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
OK, sent: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2015-11/msg00594.html

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--- Comment #12 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Created attachment 8874
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Proposed solution: support alternative month names

The previous patch could be considered too long and too difficult to review so
here I split it into 7 parts which can be reviewed and accepted or rejected
individually. This first part just adds the ALTMON_... constants.

I think this change is not questionable except the question whether these
constants should be considered public or private. I suggest public.

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--- Comment #13 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
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Add tests for the alternative month names

The only reason why this part has been split out into a separate patch is that
the file tst-langinfo.c belongs to the localedata directory which has its own
ChangeLog. Feel free to merge this patch with the previous one if you think
that splitting it is bad idea.

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--- Comment #14 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Created attachment 8876
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Proposed solution: support day month order

If we are going to implement a smart algorithm which determines whether "%B"
should generate a nominative or genitive form we need also a new parameter
which would determine if month should be genitive if it appears after a day, or
before a day, or in both cases, or it does not matter. Feel free to merge this
patch with the previous ones if you think this idea is OK. Feel free to reject
this patch if you think that we should implement the "%OB" format specifier
which would select the genitive case explicitly. See also comment 7 for more
info.

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--- Comment #15 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Created attachment 8877
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Proposed solution: smart algorithm choosing the nominative/genitive month name

This is the main part: the implementation of the smart algorithm in strftime()
which would select the correct form of the month name for the "%B" format
specifier. Note that this patch requires the previous ones, also it requires
some NLS data from the following patches.

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--- Comment #16 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Created attachment 8878
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Alternative month names NLS data (Polish)

Here are the genitive month names in Polish. Please note that this is my native
language so I can guarantee the correctness. Feel free to use this patch only
for local tests and reject it from the public repository if you don't trust me.
However, please note that you need some NLS data with the alternative month
names, otherwise you will not see any effect of the previous patches.

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--- Comment #17 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Created attachment 8879
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Alternative month names NLS data (Russian)

Here are the genitive month names in Russian. The names are taken from CLDR
database: http://st.unicode.org/cldr-apps/v#/ru/Gregorian/677bb4a72253df63 Also
I have changed the nominative month names to lowercase as suggested in comment
0 and comment 4. Please note that you don't have to trust my knowledge of
Russian, feel free to take this patch for your local tests only and reject from
the public repository.

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Created attachment 8880
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Alternative month names NLS data (Ukrainian)

Here are the genitive month names in Ukrainian. The alternative month names had
been already present so I have only changed the alt_digits label to alt_mon and
removed all remains of the alt_digits hack. However, please note that you
absolutely should not trust my knowledge of Ukrainian language. Feel free to
use this patch for local tests only and reject it from the public repository.

This is the end of this series of patches. I'll appreciate your reviews.

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--- Comment #19 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
(In reply to Rafal Luzynski from comment #7)

Thanks for a good analysis. However, I do not agree with your approach. 

> 1. Do not change the API, implement an internal algorithm which would
> analyze a full format string and determine whether %B should format the
> month name in a nominative or genitive case. 

This is a bad idea. You left programmer with no control over the result. For
example: someone used format string like "This is %B" (I used English, but
imagine another language, like Polish). Later his decided to include day
number: "This is %B, today is day #%e." Since %B remains intact, programmer
would assume the first part of the message remains intact too, but "artificial
intelligence" may have own opinion and change case of month name depending on
presence or absence of %e or whatever else. To me this is not acceptable.

Also, month name is not the only name in strftime. Look at %A — it's weekday
name, which also has multiple forms/cases.

> 2. Follow the specification already used in *BSD family (which also includes
> OS X and iOS): https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=strftime&sektion=3.

This is not *BSD but POSIX:

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/strftime.html

Description of strftime is not very clear what "alternative representation" and
"alternative numeric symbols", but 

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/xbd_chap07.html

adds some details. Both of %O and %E are not for changing case of month name.

Thus, I will propose an extension, dedicated for the problem. Current
conversion specifier looks like:

"%" flag width [ modifier ] format

where "%" and "." are literal strings; flag — one of GNU flags: "-", "_", "0",
"^" (see "info strftime"), width is a positive integer,  modifier is either "E"
or "O", format — one of documented letters (a, b, B, c, C, ...).

Extension may utilize syntax of "precision" used in "printf", e. g.:

"%" flag width [ "." precision ] [ modifier ] format

in "strftime" precision = grammatic case number. In case of Russian "precision"
would be in range 1..6 (since in Russian language nouns have 6 cases):

%.1B — month name in nominative case
%.2B — month name in accusative case
%.3B — month name in genitive case
%.4B — month name in dative case
%.5B — month name in instrumental case
%.6B — month name in prepositional case

Note that this is universal and can be used with week day names too:

%.1A, %.2A, etc.

"Precision" zero (".0") is used as default (when case is not specified) and as
fallback (when specified "precision" is out of range for current locale).

"Precision" can be combined with width: %20.1B.

In such a case strftime maintains compatibility — behaviour of existing
programs is not affected, but in new (versions of the) programs developers are
free to specify case of names precisely.

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--- Comment #20 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
(In reply to van.de.bugger from comment #19)

i think you might have missed some of the things Rafal said.  he is correct
when he said BSD because they already have a format specifier for this: %OB. 
POSIX does *not* support this today (see the linked POSIX bug report for more
details) which leads us to the multiple choices he outlined in comment #7.

i don't think we should create yet another standard -- either we use what BSD
already has, or we wait for POSIX to come up with one (and we go with his
suggestion for automatic detection in the mean time since it doesn't break
ABI).  if you want to extend the standard, please post to the POSIX lists.

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Re: [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[Keld Simonsen]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:49:01PM +0000, vapier at gentoo dot org wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #20 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
> (In reply to van.de.bugger from comment #19)
> 
> i think you might have missed some of the things Rafal said.  he is correct
> when he said BSD because they already have a format specifier for this: %OB. 
> POSIX does *not* support this today (see the linked POSIX bug report for more
> details) which leads us to the multiple choices he outlined in comment #7.
> 
> i don't think we should create yet another standard -- either we use what BSD
> already has, or we wait for POSIX to come up with one (and we go with his
> suggestion for automatic detection in the mean time since it doesn't break
> ABI).  if you want to extend the standard, please post to the POSIX lists.

We follow ISO TR 30112, and not pOSIX in glibc. POSIX is quite outdated
wrt. i18n, and we cannot conform to POSIX's limited i18n capability.

But we can work on ISO TR 30112 which is under revision.

best regards
keld

[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[keld at keldix dot com]

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--- Comment #21 from keld at keldix dot com <keld at keldix dot com> ---
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:49:01PM +0000, vapier at gentoo dot org wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #20 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
> (In reply to van.de.bugger from comment #19)
> 
> i think you might have missed some of the things Rafal said.  he is correct
> when he said BSD because they already have a format specifier for this: %OB. 
> POSIX does *not* support this today (see the linked POSIX bug report for more
> details) which leads us to the multiple choices he outlined in comment #7.
> 
> i don't think we should create yet another standard -- either we use what BSD
> already has, or we wait for POSIX to come up with one (and we go with his
> suggestion for automatic detection in the mean time since it doesn't break
> ABI).  if you want to extend the standard, please post to the POSIX lists.

We follow ISO TR 30112, and not pOSIX in glibc. POSIX is quite outdated
wrt. i18n, and we cannot conform to POSIX's limited i18n capability.

But we can work on ISO TR 30112 which is under revision.

best regards
keld

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--- Comment #22 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
(In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #21)

running s/POSIX/ISO TR 30112/ on my comment doesn't change my point.  we should
not be inventing our own new behavior here when there's long standing
precedence.

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Re: [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[Keld Simonsen]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:51:04PM +0000, vapier at gentoo dot org wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #22 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
> (In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #21)
> 
> running s/POSIX/ISO TR 30112/ on my comment doesn't change my point.  we should
> not be inventing our own new behavior here when there's long standing
> precedence.

If the argument is that BSD already has this feature and we should follow their
specs, then I agree, and then I propose that we add this to 30112.

best regards
keld

[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[keld at keldix dot com]

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--- Comment #23 from keld at keldix dot com <keld at keldix dot com> ---
On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:51:04PM +0000, vapier at gentoo dot org wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #22 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
> (In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #21)
> 
> running s/POSIX/ISO TR 30112/ on my comment doesn't change my point.  we should
> not be inventing our own new behavior here when there's long standing
> precedence.

If the argument is that BSD already has this feature and we should follow their
specs, then I agree, and then I propose that we add this to 30112.

best regards
keld

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--- Comment #24 from Mike Frysinger <vapier at gentoo dot org> ---
(In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #23)

please read comment #7 in full

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[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

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--- Comment #25 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
(In reply to Mike Frysinger from comment #20)

> i think you might have missed some of the things Rafal said.  he is correct
> when he said BSD because they already have a format specifier for this: %OB.
> POSIX does *not* support this today (see the linked POSIX bug report for
> more details) which leads us to the multiple choices he outlined in comment
> #7.

1. I do not understand what do you mean by "POSIX does *not* support this
today". POSIX is a standard, not an implementation, and O and E modifiers are
described in the standard, see
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/strftime.html 

2. By this description, O modifier is applicable to d, e, H, I, m, M, S, u, U,
V, w, W, and y. OB is BSD-specific *extension* to POSIX.

3. %OB is not just BSD extension, it is also ugly hack which likely does not
solve the problem. BSD offers only two cases for month name — %B and %OB, while
in Russian language a noun has six cases, in Finnish — more than dozen. I am
not a linguist and not aware about other languages, but it is obviously 2 cases
cannot cover all the needs.

> i don't think we should create yet another standard -- either we use what
> BSD already has, or we wait for POSIX to come up with one (and we go with
> his suggestion for automatic detection in the mean time since it doesn't
> break ABI).  if you want to extend the standard, please post to the POSIX
> lists.

GNU libc have A LOT of extensions. It is not clear why you decided to stop
adding extensions now.

Automatic detection does not break ABI, it breaks behavior of existing
programs.

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Re: [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[Keld Simonsen]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:22:38AM +0000, van.de.bugger at gmail dot com wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #25 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
> (In reply to Mike Frysinger from comment #20)
> 
> > i think you might have missed some of the things Rafal said.  he is correct
> > when he said BSD because they already have a format specifier for this: %OB.
> > POSIX does *not* support this today (see the linked POSIX bug report for
> > more details) which leads us to the multiple choices he outlined in comment
> > #7.
> 
> 1. I do not understand what do you mean by "POSIX does *not* support this
> today". POSIX is a standard, not an implementation, and O and E modifiers are
> described in the standard, see
> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/strftime.html 
> 
> 2. By this description, O modifier is applicable to d, e, H, I, m, M, S, u, U,
> V, w, W, and y. OB is BSD-specific *extension* to POSIX.
> 
> 3. %OB is not just BSD extension, it is also ugly hack which likely does not
> solve the problem. BSD offers only two cases for month name ??? %B and %OB, while
> in Russian language a noun has six cases, in Finnish ??? more than dozen. I am
> not a linguist and not aware about other languages, but it is obviously 2 cases
> cannot cover all the needs.

Well, can we see what is the extent of the problem?
Russian, Polish, possibly all of the Slavian languages, Finnish,
Hungarian, Estonian?

One could also list all the grammatical cases,  number them and make a notation
in the format specifiers, but if the already implemented and specified
solution solves the problem for all languages with this problem, then
an extended solution could be overkill.

Best regards
Keld

[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[van.de.bugger at gmail dot com]

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--- Comment #26 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
(In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #21)
> We follow ISO TR 30112, and not pOSIX in glibc. POSIX is quite outdated
> wrt. i18n, and we cannot conform to POSIX's limited i18n capability.
> 
> But we can work on ISO TR 30112 which is under revision.

Sorry, I cannot afford to pay CHF 198 for ISO TR 30112 at ISO official site:

http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=53232

If there is a publicly available revision of ISO TR 30112, please give me a
link.

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Re: [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[Keld Simonsen]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:27:56AM +0000, van.de.bugger at gmail dot com wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #26 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
> (In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #21)
> > We follow ISO TR 30112, and not pOSIX in glibc. POSIX is quite outdated
> > wrt. i18n, and we cannot conform to POSIX's limited i18n capability.
> > 
> > But we can work on ISO TR 30112 which is under revision.
> 
> Sorry, I cannot afford to pay CHF 198 for ISO TR 30112 at ISO official site:
> 
> http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=53232
> 
> If there is a publicly available revision of ISO TR 30112, please give me a
> link.

http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC35/WG5/docs/30112d10.pdf
It should also be available from the SC35 documents site.

best regards
Keld

[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

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--- Comment #27 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
(In reply to van.de.bugger from comment #25)
> ...it is obviously 2 cases cannot cover all the needs.

Just an example:

Imagine a program, which (in entertainment purposes) reminds you famous events
occurred in the same month, but (some|few|many) years ago. In English it will
be probably "In January: ...", or, as strftime format: "In %B: ...".

Let us translate it to Russian: "В январе: ...". Note: month name in this
example is neither in nominative case (январь), and not in genitive case
(января), so neither "В %B: ..." nor "В %OB: ..." (proposed hack for genitive
case) is suitable.

***

I do not insist on format proposed by me. My point is that new implementation
should be able to produce any explicitly requested case of name (either month
or weekday, it seems there are no other names in this area). If you do not like
"precision" notation (borrowed from printf formats) — not a problem, just
propose another.

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--- Comment #28 from keld at keldix dot com <keld at keldix dot com> ---
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:27:56AM +0000, van.de.bugger at gmail dot com wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #26 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
> (In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #21)
> > We follow ISO TR 30112, and not pOSIX in glibc. POSIX is quite outdated
> > wrt. i18n, and we cannot conform to POSIX's limited i18n capability.
> > 
> > But we can work on ISO TR 30112 which is under revision.
> 
> Sorry, I cannot afford to pay CHF 198 for ISO TR 30112 at ISO official site:
> 
> http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=53232
> 
> If there is a publicly available revision of ISO TR 30112, please give me a
> link.

http://www.open-std.org/JTC1/SC35/WG5/docs/30112d10.pdf
It should also be available from the SC35 documents site.

best regards
Keld

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--- Comment #29 from keld at keldix dot com <keld at keldix dot com> ---
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:22:38AM +0000, van.de.bugger at gmail dot com wrote:
> https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871
> 
> --- Comment #25 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
> (In reply to Mike Frysinger from comment #20)
> 
> > i think you might have missed some of the things Rafal said.  he is correct
> > when he said BSD because they already have a format specifier for this: %OB.
> > POSIX does *not* support this today (see the linked POSIX bug report for
> > more details) which leads us to the multiple choices he outlined in comment
> > #7.
> 
> 1. I do not understand what do you mean by "POSIX does *not* support this
> today". POSIX is a standard, not an implementation, and O and E modifiers are
> described in the standard, see
> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/strftime.html 
> 
> 2. By this description, O modifier is applicable to d, e, H, I, m, M, S, u, U,
> V, w, W, and y. OB is BSD-specific *extension* to POSIX.
> 
> 3. %OB is not just BSD extension, it is also ugly hack which likely does not
> solve the problem. BSD offers only two cases for month name ??? %B and %OB, while
> in Russian language a noun has six cases, in Finnish ??? more than dozen. I am
> not a linguist and not aware about other languages, but it is obviously 2 cases
> cannot cover all the needs.

Well, can we see what is the extent of the problem?
Russian, Polish, possibly all of the Slavian languages, Finnish,
Hungarian, Estonian?

One could also list all the grammatical cases,  number them and make a notation
in the format specifiers, but if the already implemented and specified
solution solves the problem for all languages with this problem, then
an extended solution could be overkill.

Best regards
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[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

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Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon at iki dot fi> changed:

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--- Comment #30 from Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon at iki dot fi> ---
In Finnish, all the month names end with "kuu" (moon) in the singular
nominative, and you can form the genitive, partitive, or inessive by appending
"n", "ta", or "ssa": tammikuu, tammikuun, tammikuuta, tammikuussa.  So I think
we can largely cover text output just by localizing the strftime format string.

I think we'd write

tammikuu = January (nominative)
tammikuun 17. päivä = 17th day of January (genitive)
tammikuun 17. päivänä = on the 17th day of January (genitive)
tammikuun 17. päivänä 2016 = on the 17th day of January (genitive) 2016
17. tammikuuta = 17 January (partitive)
17. tammikuuta 2016 = 17 January (partitive) 2016
tammikuussa 2016 = in January (inessive) 2016

("1. tammikuu" seems like it would mean the January of the first year, as in,
it snowed this much in the first January but not so much a year later.)

In plural forms though, the "kuu" ending often has to be modified: tammikuut
(nominative), tammikuiden (genitive), tammikuita (partitive), tammikuissa
(inessive). But I don't see these being used in dates.

There are forms like sunnuntaisin = on Sundays, talvisin = in wintertime. One
could likewise say tammikuisin but this seems uncommon. Perhaps that form could
be used in a web application where the user selects whether they want to be
sent an invoice every January or every February.

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--- Comment #31 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
(In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #29)

Thanks for the link. I didn't read entire spec, but LC_TIME section looks very
similar to POSIX. The only additions I found are first_weekday, first_workday,
cal_direction, and timezone; the rest looks the same.

After looking through ISO/IEC 30112 and studying existing locale definitions in
glibc, it is clear to me that O modifier is intended for writing numbers in
traditional style. Some languages (Japanese, Persian, Oriya, Burmese to name a
few) have traditional symbols for digits and numbers. So O modifier is
applicable to numeric values only, and using %OB is a non-standard BSD hack.

BTW, I found a dirty hack in glibc: uk_UA locale has *month names* in genitive
case in alt_digits table. Now they can get month name in genitive case by %Om,
but applying modifier O to another format specifier (like %Od, %Of, %OH) is
meaningless: %OI converts hour to a months name in genitive case... 

You see: users want to have properly formatted dates and ready to implement any
dirty hacks for getting result.

> Well, can we see what is the extent of the problem?
> Russian, Polish, possibly all of the Slavian languages, Finnish,
> Hungarian, Estonian?

All the Slavic languages for sure. Sorry, I am not aware about other languages.

> One could also list all the grammatical cases,  number them and make a
> notation
> in the format specifiers, but if the already implemented and specified
> solution solves the problem for all languages with this problem, then
> an extended solution could be overkill.

I already wrote that two cases (%B and %OB) does not solve the problem in
general. 

However, I understand that two cases (nominative and genitive) cover the great
majority of use cases (for Russian language at least), and I know why: (1) all
the demanding applications have implemented (and had to implement) date/time
formatting routines in-house due to lack of support in standard libraries; (2)
fixing standard libraries takes ages: you see, this issue was open 6 years ago,
but problem is not yet solved.

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Re: [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[Egmont Koblinger]

Hi,

> Well, can we see what is the extent of the problem?
> Russian, Polish, possibly all of the Slavian languages, Finnish,
> Hungarian, Estonian?

Hungarian is not affected by this particular problem.

We sometimes (it's getting less frequent IMO) write month names with
roman numbers, e.g. 2015. XII. 31 for last new years'e eve. I guess
the alternate month name format could be used for this. (Although a
much generic modifier in front of any number to write in Roman would
probably be a better approach. I've no clue if other languages use
Roman numbers in this context. We prefer Roman numbers to Arabic ones
at a few other places too, e.g. for the 23 districts of Budapest (e.g.
the 6th district is "Budapest VI. kerület".)

Another problem we have in Hungarian is that it's an agglutinative
language where as the suffix takes one of the two or three candidate
vowels that better matches the base word. E.g.

In 2015 / 2016 = 2015-ben / 2016-ban
In August / September = augusztusban / szeptemberben
From August / September = autusztustól / szeptembertől
On the 5th / 6th = 5-én / 6-án
From the 5th / 6th = 5-től / 6-tól
etc.

This can't be solved relying on glibc + translations. Again, it's way
out of the scope of the current discussions, as e.g. there's not even
a selector for English st/nd/rd/th.

Cheers,
Egmont

[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

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--- Comment #32 from Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to van.de.bugger from comment #25)
> 3. %OB is not just BSD extension, it is also ugly hack which likely does not
> solve the problem. BSD offers only two cases for month name — %B and %OB,
> while in Russian language a noun has six cases, in Finnish — more than
> dozen. I am not a linguist and not aware about other languages, but it is
> obviously 2 cases cannot cover all the needs.
> 

I don't think glibc is intended to be used to construct natural sentences, in
which case we would need support for every single case in every single
language. I don't think that's realistic or needed.

Instead, there are two applications: to show time and date, and to show a
calendar. Using just standalone and format versions of the month names (or
nominative and genitive) covers both uses.

Extending it would amount to overengineering a solution to a non-existing
problem, while Rafal's proposition elegantly resolves a real-world, severe
problem.

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--- Comment #34 from Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail dot com> ---
The uk_UA hack fixes the exact same problem that Rafal's patch is fixing: the
lack of genitive month names. Could we please focus on that?

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--- Comment #33 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
(In reply to Piotr Drąg from comment #32)
> Instead, there are two applications: to show time and date, and to show a
> calendar. Using just standalone and format versions of the month names (or
> nominative and genitive) covers both uses.

In such a case we would need just two functions: show_time_and_date() and
show_calendar(). Indeed we have strftime() with great flexibility: 40 format
specifiers, two modifiers O and E, 4 flags _, -, 0, and ^ (btw, all four flags
are GNU extensions).

> I don't think glibc is intended to be used to construct natural sentences,
> in which case we would need support for every single case in every single
> language. 

...just for 12 (names) + 7 (weekdays) = 19 words in a language. It's not a big
deal, is it?

Also, there is no need to prepare extended tables for all languages at once. If
table is not yet extended, strftime should fallback to existing (nominative
case) name.

> I don't think that's realistic or needed.

I always love people saying me "this is not needed" when I need it.

I already mentioned an example. Look at uk_UA locale definition:

>   % Initially alt_digits was supposed to hold alternative symbols for _digits_,
>   % corresponding to %O modified conversion specification.
>   % Although in Ukrainian language alternate _names_ are used instead of digits.
>   % We'll use this keyword to present a list of month names in proper form for
>   % date, see mon.  (%Om)
>   %
>   % This hack is dedicated for months it won't work for other %O* modifiers
>   % (weeks, days etc).

People need it, they have implemented a hack for it because there is no way to
implement it in current infrastructure. (I am a bit surprised that this obvious
hack was accepted by upstream.)

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--- Comment #35 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
(In reply to Kalle Olavi Niemitalo from comment #30)
> In Finnish, all the month names end with "kuu" (moon) in the singular
> nominative, and you can form the genitive, partitive, or inessive by
> appending "n", "ta", or "ssa": tammikuu, tammikuun, tammikuuta, tammikuussa.
> So I think we can largely cover text output just by localizing the strftime
> format string.

You are lucky. What about weekday names?

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--- Comment #36 from Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon at iki dot fi> ---
(In reply to van.de.bugger from comment #35)
> You are lucky. What about weekday names?

In Finnish, most of those end with "tai", and their cases have simple suffixes.
However, "keskiviikko" (Wednesday) is different.

maanantai, keskiviikko -- singular nominative
maanantain, keskiviikon -- singular genitive (or accusative)
maanantaita, keskiviikkoa -- singular partitive
maanantaina, keskiviikkona -- singular essive
maanantaiksi, keskiviikoksi -- singular translative
maanantaissa, keskiviikossa -- singular inessive
maanantaista, keskiviikosta -- singular elative
maanantaihin, keskiviikkoon -- singular illative
maanantailla, keskiviikolla -- singular adessive
maanantailta, keskiviikolta -- singular ablative
maanantaille, keskiviikolle -- singular allative
maanantaitta, keskiviikotta -- singular abessive

maanantait, keskiviikot -- plural nominative (or accusative)
maanantaiden, keskiviikkojen -- plural genitive
maanantaita, keskiviikkoja -- plural partitive
maanantaina, keskiviikkoina -- plural essive
maanantaiksi, keskiviikoiksi -- plural translative
maanantaissa, keskiviikoissa -- plural inessive
maanantaista, keskiviikoista -- plural elative
maanantaihin, keskiviikkoihin -- plural illative
maanantailla, keskiviikoilla -- plural adessive
maanantailta, keskiviikoilta -- plural ablative
maanantaille, keskiviikoille -- plural allative
maanantaitta, keskiviikoitta -- plural abessive
maanantaine-, keskiviikkoine- -- (plural) comitative (rare)
maanantain(?), keskiviikoin -- plural instructive (rare)

In many of these, the plural is written the same as the singular.

I suppose a calendar application could use:
- the singular nominative for column headers (Monday, Tuesday)
- the singular essive for dates of events (on Monday)
- the singular elative and illative for the starting and ending days of a
multi-day event (spanning from Monday to Friday)
- the singular ablative and allative for the original and newly chosen dates of
a rescheduled event (postponed from Tuesday to Wednesday)
- "keskiviikkoisin" (mentioned in comment #30; I'm not sure this is the
instructive case of the adjective "keskiviikkoinen") for a recurring event

An email application that localizes the Date header might use only the singular
essive, which can luckily be formed by appending "na" to the singular
nominative case of any weekday and so doesn't need a separate format specifier
in strftime. (Some other words aren't so lucky.) This assumes that the strftime
format string is made localizable, but that should be done in any case because
I don't see how a programmer could choose the correct grammatical cases without
knowing the language. 

Are programmers or translators asking glibc to support any variants of weekday
names other than what it already has?

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--- Comment #37 from van.de.bugger at gmail dot com ---
(In reply to Kalle Olavi Niemitalo from comment #36)
> In Finnish, most of those end with "tai", and their cases have simple
> suffixes. However, "keskiviikko" (Wednesday) is different.

It means messages containing weekday names cannot be easily localized throug
strftime format string: "%An" gives genitive case for all weekdays but
Wednesday.

> Are programmers or translators asking glibc to support any variants of
> weekday names other than what it already has?

But today we have *only* nominative case, which is not enough for Russian
language (at least). "%B" (month name in nominative case) is ok for month
heading in calendar application, but "%d %B %Y" looks ugly because in this
phrase month name should be in genitive case. However, if we change "mon" table
in ru_RU locale definition to have month names in genitive cases to fix "%d %B
%Y", we break "%B". 

So yes, at least few programmers/translators are asking for more. However, we
can't get agreement on how much grammatical cases we want to have. Some guys
here think two cases is enough while I believe we should not create artificial
limits — let us have as many grammatical cases as required for the language.

> …This
> assumes that the strftime format string is made localizable, but that should
> be done in any case because I don't see how a programmer could choose the
> correct grammatical cases without knowing the language. 

You get the point.

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--- Comment #38 from Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon at iki dot fi> ---
Microsoft Windows provides:
- GetCalendarInfoEx can retrieve the name of a month or the name of a day of
the week. The nominative case is the default. For months only, the caller can
add the CAL_RETURN_GENITIVE_NAMES flag.
- GetDateFormatEx formats a date according to a format picture string in which
"MMMM" represents the name of the month.  The caller cannot explicitly request
the genitive case. The function uses heuristics instead, and they don't always
work perfectly.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd317734(v=vs.85).aspx
"Calendar Type Information (Windows)"

http://www.siao2.com/2011/10/26/10230215.aspx
"Improving genitive. Or not…. (part 2): Explaining the point of Part 1"

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--- Comment #39 from Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon at iki dot fi> ---
(In reply to Rafal Luzynski from comment #7)
> 3. Mimic the *BSD specification but implement it conversely: let %B retrieve
> the nominative case (as it currently does) and let the new %OB specifier
> retrieve the genitive case. See also:
> http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=258 - this seems to has accepted this
> solution.

The Final Accepted Text in Austin Group bug 258 contains:
"alt_mon Define the full month names, corresponding to the %OB conversion
specification. [...] For languages having both a genitive (when used with a day
number) and a nominative (no day number) case, this operand shall be used to
denote the nominative case."

The FreeBSD strftime(3) page says: "Additionally %OB implemented to represent
alternative months names (used standalone, without day mentioned)." I believe
this means the nominative case.

So %OB retrieves the nominative case in both of them; I don't see any conflict.
The same could be implemented in glibc.

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--- Comment #40 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Thank you for all your comments and I'm sorry for not being able to reply
immediately.

(In reply to Kalle Olavi Niemitalo from comment #39)
> [...]
> The Final Accepted Text in Austin Group bug 258 contains:
> "alt_mon Define the full month names, corresponding to the %OB conversion
> specification. [...] For languages having both a genitive (when used with a
> day number) and a nominative (no day number) case, this operand shall be
> used to denote the nominative case."
> 
> The FreeBSD strftime(3) page says: "Additionally %OB implemented to
> represent alternative months names (used standalone, without day
> mentioned)." I believe this means the nominative case.
> 
> So %OB retrieves the nominative case in both of them; I don't see any
> conflict. The same could be implemented in glibc.

Oops, somehow I must have read it backwards. :-) Having read this again
carefully now I lean into the solution which is common to *BSD and POSIX which
means that:

- nl_langinfo(ALT_MON_...) and strftime("%OB") both retrieve the nominative
case,
- nl_langinfo(MON_...) and strftime("%B") both retrieve the genitive case
(which is different than now!),
- for the locales which do not support genitive cases the nominative case is
returned instead.

Will you agree for this solution?

Pros:
- full compatibility with *BSD and POSIX,
- simple and deterministic implementation,
- full programmer's control on whether they want a nominative or genitive case,
- will automagically fix all dates using %B conversion specifiers and
displaying the nominative case which is incorrect (full dates).

Cons:
- at the same time will break formatting of all dates using %B conversion
specifiers where the nominative case is required and is correctly provided now
(e.g., calendar headers), the application developer may not even be aware that
the application became broken in some languages,
- therefore will require urgent intervention from some application developers,
- it will be difficult or even impossible to provide a backward compatible
solution which would detect if the current runtime version of glibc requires
%OB or %B for the month name in nominative case.

This also means that the comment 7 does not make sense. The solution 3 should
be merged into 2 because they actually should be the same, and solution 1 is no
longer needed since 2 is common for *BSD and POSIX.

Some answers:


(In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #29)
> [...]
> Well, can we see what is the extent of the problem?
> Russian, Polish, possibly all of the Slavian languages, Finnish,
> Hungarian, Estonian?

Comment 6 says that all Slavonic languages except Bulgarian and Macedonian,
plus Finnish, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749206#c6 mentions
Greek, I have accidentally found in CLDR that Baltic languages are injured,
too. Roughly whole Eastern half of Europe with some exceptions plus some
Western European languages (Icelandic?) Plus unknown number of non-European
languages. For a full list you should browse the CLDR database.


(In reply to van.de.bugger from comment #31)
> [...]
> BTW, I found a dirty hack in glibc: uk_UA locale has *month names* in
> genitive case in alt_digits table. Now they can get month name in genitive
> case by %Om, but applying modifier O to another format specifier (like %Od,
> %Of, %OH) is meaningless: %OI converts hour to a months name in genitive
> case... 

Please see my patch for Ukrainian.

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--- Comment #41 from Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon at iki dot fi> ---
I searched for uses of the strftime-style %B in the Finnish PO files at
<http://translationproject.org/extra/matrix.html>. I found only the following:

http://translationproject.org/PO-files/fi/a2ps-4.14.fi.po
msgid "%A %B %d, %Y"
msgstr "%A, %e. %Bta %Y"

http://translationproject.org/PO-files/fi/help2man-1.46.6.fi.po
msgid "%B %Y"
msgstr "%B %Y"

http://translationproject.org/PO-files/fi/coreutils-8.25-pre1.fi.po
A list of all the strftime format specifiers.

If the glibc Finnish locale were changed to expand "%B" to the genitive case
and "%OB" to the nominative case, the change would break those for no benefit
to translators or users. There aren't many uses of "%B" in the Finnish PO files
but users may also have strftime format strings in date commands in shell
scripts. I think the Finnish locale should not be changed as part of fixing
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--- Comment #42 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Three occurrences is not much and can be easily changed. Although you don't
know how many projects not listed at translationproject.org will also be
affected. But if appending "ta" to the nominative month name is a correct way
to achieve a desired genitive form and this works for all months then you can
use the "%Bta" format specifier and you don't need this new feature. Note that
if locales do not provide the alternative month names then basic names will be
returned for both "%B" and "%OB". You can choose whatever you find more
appropriate. Unfortunately, some other languages have too complex rules to have
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--- Comment #43 from Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag at gmail dot com> ---
Any chance of picking this up? The original issue is still there.

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--- Comment #44 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Sorry for this delay. I was overwhelmed with other projects. I'd like to use
Fedora and GNOME freeze period which will be soon to return to this bug. glibc
2.23 has just been released after its freeze, I guess that 2.24 will be
released in August so now seems to be a good time to come back. Things to do:

* As Mike pointed out here:
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-01/msg00152.html I should remove the
additional array containing the same month names as another one.
* As pointed out in comment 39 I have completely misunderstood the intentions
of POSIX specification and I must reimplement the solution. Fortunately, the
new implementation will be easier and to rework the old solution I must remove
the heuristic code guessing if this is full date or just a month name and
replace nominative case with genitive case in few places.

That means we are on a good path. I don't want to promise any specific date
when it will land but I hope it would be soon. Of course, everybody are welcome
to rework my patches.

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Proposed solution: support alternative month names (version 2)

This patch implements the new approach: we no longer need day-month-order trick
(as pointed out in comment 39). Also fixes a bug: defines alternative month
names to the empty string in the default (fallback) C locale.

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Actually not different from the old version, the only difference is that the
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Proposed solution: implement the %OB format specifier

As pointed out in comment 39 implementing %OB format specifier is more correct
solution than implementing a smart algorithm trying to guess if we are in the
full date context or standalone. %B retrieves the default month name which is
genitive from now (this is the change!) in those languages which need a
genitive. %OB retrieves the alternative month name which is nominative in those
languages which need it (this is the change because previously the default
month name was nominative), also it returns the same as %B for those languages
which do not need this feature or do not yet provide the updated locale. This
means that %B does not have to be changed in most cases but in some cases it
*must* be changed to %OB.

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Alternative month names NLS data (Polish, v2)

The change in this patch is that the mon and alt_mon arrays have been replaced.
Previously I misunderstood their meaning, as pointed out in comment 39.

As previously, you can treat this patch as a test data. You can provide the
updated locales from more reliable source but you will not see the effect of
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Any progress on the patches review? I desperately need to get this fixed. :(

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Sorry for the delay, recently I was overwhelmed with another Linux related
project. The last response is that this change breaks ABI so versioning should
be implemented to retain the backward compatibility. [1] [2]  Unfortunately,
I'll have to learn more about it as this concept is new for me.  Fortunately,
also I got some tips about it but more tips would be welcome.

Piotr, believe me, I find this bug as blatant as you do.


[1] https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-06/msg00009.html
[2] https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-06/msg00019.html

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Proposed solution: support alternative month names (version 3)

Here is the new patch set including backward compatibility via the function
versioning.

This first patch is actually the same as the one in comment 45, it's only
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Actually it's the same as the patch provided in comment 46, the only difference
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Provide backward compatibility for nl_langinfo family

As requested in [1] and [2] this patch defines backward compatible versions of
nl_langinfo() and nl_langinfo_l(). Is this sufficient? Can we assume that
__nl_langinfo_l() is a private API (even if visible in public) and it is not
guaranteed to be backward compatible?

[1] https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-06/msg00009.html
[2] https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-06/msg00019.html

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Rebuild abilists to reflect nl_langinfo changes

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Alternative month names NLS data (Polish, v3)

This patch has been rebased against the current master.

As previously, you can treat this patch as a test data. You can provide the
updated locales from more reliable source but you will not see the effect of
the change without the updated locale.

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Proposed solution: implement the %OB format specifier (v3)

Actually it's the same patch as the one provided in comment 47, the only
difference is that the subject line says it's PATCH 05/11 rather than PATCH
3/6.

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Provide backward compatibility for strftime family

This patch provides backward compatibility feature for the functions:
strftime(), strftime_l(), wcsftime(), and wcsftime_l(). The backward compatible
versions ignore the %OB format specifier and for the format specifier %B return
the same results as %OB does for the new version.

Is this sufficient? This patch does not provide the backward compatibility for
strptime() and strptime_l(). Do we need a backward compatible version? The
possible backward compatible version would:

* return an error code if %OB format specifier is found,
* match the month names only against the nominative form (but since the month
is recognized after the longest matching substring at the beginning the results
will be usually the same no matter if we match nominative or genitive cases).

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__nl_langinfo_l is at a public symbol version and used by libstdc++ 
(libstdc++ needs to use internal symbols like that for namespace reasons; 
indeed, we probably need to add more such exports for libstdc++ use).  It 
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Rebuild abilists to reflect strftime family changes

Same as the patch in comment 55, this patch contains the automatically
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Alternative month names NLS data (Czech)

New bonus: this patch contains an example of NLS data containing nominative and
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Alternative month names NLS data (Ukrainian, v3)

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Alternative month names NLS data (Russian, v3)

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Rebuild abilists to reflect nl_langinfo changes (version 4)

Same changes as above, also this patch is rebased against the current master.

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* Patch 0004 could go here, skipped because it is the same as in comment 56.
* Patch 0005 could go here, skipped because it is the same as in comment 57.

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Provide backward compatibility for strftime family (version 4)

This patch, compared to the one from comment 59, provides backward
compatibility not only to strftime(), strftime_l(), wcsftime(), and
wcsftime_l() but also to __strftime_l() and __wcsftime_l(), as requested in
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-10/msg00304.html

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Rebuild abilists to reflect strftime family changes (version 4)

Same changes as above, also this patch is rebased against the current master.

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0008 (Polish) - same as in commment 61
0009 (Russian) - same as in commment 62
0010 (Ukrainian) - same as in commment 63
0011 (Czech) - same as in commment 64

Also note that those patches only provide the test data, they are not intended
to be committed (although I don't mind if you decide so.)

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Provide backward compatibility for nl_langinfo family (version 4)

This patch, compared to the one from comment 54, provides backward
compatibility not only to nl_langinfo() and nl_langinfo_l() but also to
__nl_langinfo_l(), as requested in comment 58.

Note: the patch description says "(version 4)" only for the consistency with
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Proposed solution: support alternative month names (version 4)

Here goes a new set of patches. Some are skipped in this set because they have
not been changed.

The difference between the version from comment 53 and this one: this patch
does not add anything to conform/data/langinfo.h-data, as requested in
https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2016-10/msg00303.html

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Proposed solution: support alternative month names (version 5)

Here goes the new set of patches.

The main difference is what I realized after comparing how this problem has
been solved in other systems.  My idea that alt_mon should be optional was
wrong.  Making it obligatory simplifies the code, we don't have to check if a
particular alternative month name is NULL or empty.  Locale data are part of
glibc, we are able to provide the data fulfilling our own requirements.  For
the languages which do not need two forms of months names this means that
months names must be copied from mon to alt_mon even although both forms are
identical.

Difference between this patch and the one from comment 65: alt_mon locale data
section made obligatory.

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Provide backward compatibility for nl_langinfo family (version 5)

Differences between the patch from comment 66 and this one:

* dirty aliases ending with "2" (e.g., "__nl_langinfo_noaltmon_l2") replaced
with more decent ending with "_alias" (e.g., "__nl_langinfo_noaltmon_l_alias");
* alt_mon section made obligatory, no need to check for NULLs and empty
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Alternative month names NLS data (Czech, v5)

Compared to the one form comment 64: similar change as above.

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Provide backward compatibility for strftime family (version 5)

Compared to the one from comment 68 this patch is a little simpler because
there is no need to check if alt_mon is NULL or empty, as it is obligatory now.
 Also replaces dirty alias names ending with "2" (like "__strftime_l_compat2")
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Add tests for alternative month names (v5)

Actually the same as the patch in comment 56 and comment 46, only the subject
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Rebuild abilists to reflect strftime family changes (version 5)

Compared to the one from comment 69: rebuilt against the current master.

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Alternative month names NLS data (Russian, v5)

Compared to the one from comment 62: similar change as above.

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Proposed solution: implement the %OB format specifier (v5)

Difference between the patch from comment 57 and comment 47: as alt_mon is
obligatory no need to check for NULLs and empty strings, this simplifies the
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Alternative month names NLS data (Ukrainian, v5)

Compared to the one from comment 63: similar change as above.

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Compared to the one from comment 61: no changes, only the subject line says
"[PATCH 08/13]".

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Compared to the one from comment 67: rebased against the current master.

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Alternative month names for all locales

All month names (mon sections) in all supported languages (except those in the
patches above) copied into alt_mon sections.

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Import month names from CLDR

This patch imports month names from CLDR, where alt_mon sections are not just
copies of mon sections.  This adds actual full genitive/nominative support to
15 new locales, together with 4 supported previously makes total 19 locales (17
unique languages because Greek and Russian appear twice).  Other changes are
only partially related with the nominative/genitive cases or totally unrelated,
just spotted while importing data.

This is the end of this set of patches.

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Proposed solution: support alternative month names (version 6)

Here is the new set of patches.

Differences between the patch from comment 70 and this one:

- alt_mon section in locale data source made optional again, like in comment
the data will be generated while compiling to binary;
- comments reworded not to suggest that alt_mon is standalone (nominative) and
mon is for formatting full date (genitive), this will be decided later;
- ALTMON_x macros defined only if __USE_GNU is defined; for now they are
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Difference between the patch from comment 71 and this one: glibc version
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Proposed solution: implement the %OB format specifier (v6)

Difference between the patch from comment 74: commit comment reworded not to
suggest that %OB is standalone (nominative) and %B is for full date format
(nominative), this will be decided later.  Really no changes in the code.

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Re: [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

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Hi 

I would ask that our changes are backwards compatible, so that we need not change 
the existing data, just addin new data, (and changing the date format spec).

Something like the %B is the nominative case, %OB is the genitive case, and then
the full date spec is using %OB for the month names when required.

And the alt_mon is an optional keyword, and general. I believe these changes are
getting their way into both POSIX and i18n 30112 standards.

Best regads
keld

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Provide backward compatibility for strftime family (version 6)

Difference between the patch from comment 75 and this one: glibc version
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--- Comment #89 from keld at keldix dot com <keld at keldix dot com> ---
Hi 

I would ask that our changes are backwards compatible, so that we need not
change 
the existing data, just addin new data, (and changing the date format spec).

Something like the %B is the nominative case, %OB is the genitive case, and
then
the full date spec is using %OB for the month names when required.

And the alt_mon is an optional keyword, and general. I believe these changes
are
getting their way into both POSIX and i18n 30112 standards.

Best regads
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Rebuild abilists to reflect strftime family changes (version 6)

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Let alternative month names be a copy of regular ones

This is a new patch: alt_mon section is optional in the locale data source file
but this patch modifies the compiler to generate the missing alt_mon section as
a copy of mon section in the binary output file.

The difference between the patch from comment 81 and this one is not obvious:
the old patch actually added alt_mon section to all source files while this one
makes them unnecessary and generates the missing data automatically.

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Alternative month names NLS data (Russian, v6)

Differences between the patch from comment 78 and this one:

- Adds ab_alt_mon section (this is an example of how and why this feature can
be used).
- No longer changes the nominative cases to lowercase.  CLDR suggests to use
the standalone/full-date-format feature to start standalone cases with
uppercase letter even for the languages which don't need always the uppercase
letter because a standalone word is an expression by itself (like a sentence). 
I'm not sure if the Russian language community will like it, let them decide. 
This is just an example, I don't suggest they will actually push it without
changes.

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0014 (Czech) - same as in commment 80

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Also implement abbreviated alternative month names and %Ob

This is a new patch.  I realized that at least in case of May in Russian and
Belarusian also abbreviated month names may have nominative/genitive form, in
this particular case because the word is so short that its abbreviated form
equals the full form.  A similar phenomenon may also exist in other languages
which I am not yet aware of.  So this patch repeats all the above steps to
implement _NL_ABALTMON_x constants in nl_langinfo() and "%Ob" format specifier
in strftime(), except the backward compatibility.

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Import genitive month names from CLDR (v6)

Differences between the patch from comment 82 and this one:

- only those languages which have and need the nominative/genitive case in
dates are imported here;
- this new patch does not assume that alt_mon section already exists (the patch
from comment 81 is obsoleted/rejected) so it adds these sections;
- be_BY: also adds ab_alt_mon section;
- wa_BE: adds a space after "d’" which I did not know was needed.

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Backward compatibility for abbreviated alternative month names and %Ob

This is a new patch.  Repeats the backward compatibility steps also for
_NL_ABALTMON_x constants in nl_langinfo() and "%Ob" format specifier in
strftime().

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Import uppercase/lowercase month names from CLDR (v6)

Some languages which don't need the genitive/nominative difference already use
this feature in CLDR to start the month names with uppercase if they are
standalone and with lowercase when they are in full date context.  This was
already imported previously in the comment 82, this patch splits out these
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--- Comment #96 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
Hi,

(In reply to keld@keldix.com from comment #89)
> Hi 
> 
> I would ask that our changes are backwards compatible, so that we need not
> change 
> the existing data, just addin new data, (and changing the date format spec).
> 
> Something like the %B is the nominative case, %OB is the genitive case, and
> then
> the full date spec is using %OB for the month names when required.

It's been discussed here and in the libc-alpha list.  The current consensus is
that whether you decide that %B is nominative or %OB is genitive or the other
way round does not change the source code: the difference is only on input
(locale data) and output (format specifiers in applications).  Both controlled
by language communities.  So these changes are acceptable as long as they do
not suggest which is nominative and which is genitive and this will be decided
later.  By later I mean later in this development cycle, not later in a distant
future.

Also I have some reasons why I suggest switching %B to genitive and introduce
%OB as nominative which I published many times before (links available).

> And the alt_mon is an optional keyword, and general.

Done in this series of patches.

> I believe these changes are
> getting their way into both POSIX and i18n 30112 standards.

POSIX has accepted (but not yet published) the opposite solution:
http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=258.  Regarding ISO 30112 I'm not aware
of their opinion about it.  Can you please provide some more up to date info?

I have already prepared a copr repository for any modern Fedora so if you are
brave enough you can install it and test already how many applications are
fixed and how many are broken because of these changes.  I'll be glad to hear
your feedback. The repo is at
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/rluzynski/genitive/

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Provide backward compatibility for strftime family (version 7)

Difference between the patch from comment 87 and this one: rebased against the
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Rebuild abilists to reflect strftime family changes (version 7)

Difference between the patch from comment 88 and this one: rebased against the
current master (NaCl port removed)

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0008 Let alternative month names be a copy of regular ones - same as in comment
90
0009 Abbreviated alternative month names (%Ob) also added - same as in comment
91
0010 Backward compatibility for abbreviated alternative month names and %Ob -
same as in comment 92
0011 pl_PL: Add alternative month names - same as in comment 77
0012 ru_RU: Add alternative month names - same as in comment 93
0013 uk_UA: Add alternative month names - same as in comment 79
0014 cs_CZ: Add alternative month names - same as in comment 80
0015 Genitive month names imported from CLDR - same as in comment 94
0016 Month names imported from CLDR (upper/lower case) - same as in comment 95

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Rebuild abilists to reflect nl_langinfo changes (version 7)

Here is the new set of patches with really minor changes.  Due to this most of
the patches are skipped:

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Rebuild abilists to reflect nl_langinfo changes (version 8)

This is the new patch 0003.  Difference between the patch from comment 97 and
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Provide backward compatibility for nl_langinfo family (version 8)

Here is the new set of patches.  The changes are mostly the rebase to the
current master and applying the latest changes in the source code repository
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https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commitdiff;h=af85385).  Some patches
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Rebuild abilists to reflect strftime family changes (version 8)

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Proposed solution: implement the %OB format specifier (version 8)

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Backward compatibility for abbreviated alternative month names and %Ob (version
8)

Differences between the patch from comment 92 and this one: rebased against the
current master, uses locale_t rather than __locale_t.

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0012 ru_RU: Add alternative month names - same as in comment 93
0013 uk_UA: Add alternative month names - same as in comment 79
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Correct the size of _nl_value_type_LC_... arrays (v9)

This is the new series of patches, attempting to be prepared to the final
commit.

This patch is not directly related with this bug but necessary to be pushed
before the other patches.  More related with bug 356.  I was asked to split it
out.  Previously these changes were included in the patch attached in the
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Implement alternative month names (v9)

This patch merges everything related with adding the alternative month names:
nl_langinfo(ALTMON_…) and strftime("%OB").  At the same time it splits out the
changes from the previous comment and some automatically generated files.

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Regenerate locfile-kw.h from locfile-kw.gperf (v9)

This patch contains changes to the automatically generated file split out from
the previous patch because I was asked not to post them to libc-locale mailing
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Also implement abbreviated alternative month names and %Ob (v9)

Differences since the patch posted in the comment 105:
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- changes to an automatically generated file split out,
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Documentation to the above changes(v9)

This patch is new, updates the local documentation: NEWS and texinfo files.

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[Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases

[digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com]

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871

--- Comment #113 from Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com> ---
What will happen with other patches:

- backward compatibility patches most probably will be rejected, please ignore
for now,
- updates to the locale data: probably will be regenerated and pushed later,
for now please treat them as sample data necessary to actually use the newly
added features and see the difference.

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Implement alternative month names (v10)

Here is the new series of patches.  Changes:

- Fixed bug in strptime(), thanks Zack Weinberg for fixing it.
- Improved documentation, again thanks Zack Weinberg.
- Rebased to the current master.

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Regenerate locfile-kw.h from locfile-kw.gperf + ChangeLog (v10)

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Also implement abbreviated alternative month names and %Ob (v10)

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Again regenerate locfile-kw.h from locfile-kw.gperf + ChangeLog (v10)

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Documentation to the above changes(v10)

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SKIPPED PATCHES:

0006 Provide backward compatibility for nl_langinfo family
0007 Rebuild abilists to reflect nl_langinfo changes
0008 Provide backward compatibility for strftime family
0009 Rebuild abilists to reflect strftime family changes
0010 Backward compatibility for abbreviated alternative month names and %Ob

Most probably they will be dropped so I think there is no need to maintain
them.
Those who want their rebased version can find them on github.

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Alternative month names NLS data (Polish, v10)

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Alternative month names NLS data (Russian, v10)

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Alternative month names NLS data (Ukrainian, v10)

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Alternative month names NLS data (Czech, v10)

Note: Czech language community may not like these changes.  This patch should
not be committed without asking them about their opinion.

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Import genitive month names from CLDR (v10)

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Import uppercase/lowercase month names from CLDR (v10)

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[Bug localedata/10871] New: Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form

[dwqwt3i02 at sneakemail dot com]

In current Ru_RU locale month names are given capitalized, in nominative case. When this form is 
used to build a date with %B specifier, the resulting form is grammatically incorrect (30 Октябрь 2009 
for example). The correct form which should be used is lowercase, genitive case names (30 октября 
2009).

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           Summary: Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form
           Product: glibc
           Version: unspecified
            Status: NEW
          Severity: normal
          Priority: P2
         Component: localedata
        AssignedTo: libc-locales at sources dot redhat dot com
        ReportedBy: dwqwt3i02 at sneakemail dot com
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[Bug localedata/10871] Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form

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------- Additional Comments From schwab at linux-m68k dot org  2009-10-30 09:26 -------
*** Bug 10872 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Bug localedata/10871] Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form

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------- Additional Comments From drepper at redhat dot com  2010-04-09 03:02 -------
You'll have to provide a complete patch.

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