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From: "kon at iki dot fi" <sourceware-bugzilla@sourceware.org>
To: libc-locales@sourceware.org
Subject: [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 01:31:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bug-10871-716-oJbQGYCDmS@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bug-10871-716@http.sourceware.org/bugzilla/>

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10871

--- Comment #36 from Kalle Olavi Niemitalo <kon at iki dot fi> ---
(In reply to van.de.bugger from comment #35)
> You are lucky. What about weekday names?

In Finnish, most of those end with "tai", and their cases have simple suffixes.
However, "keskiviikko" (Wednesday) is different.

maanantai, keskiviikko -- singular nominative
maanantain, keskiviikon -- singular genitive (or accusative)
maanantaita, keskiviikkoa -- singular partitive
maanantaina, keskiviikkona -- singular essive
maanantaiksi, keskiviikoksi -- singular translative
maanantaissa, keskiviikossa -- singular inessive
maanantaista, keskiviikosta -- singular elative
maanantaihin, keskiviikkoon -- singular illative
maanantailla, keskiviikolla -- singular adessive
maanantailta, keskiviikolta -- singular ablative
maanantaille, keskiviikolle -- singular allative
maanantaitta, keskiviikotta -- singular abessive

maanantait, keskiviikot -- plural nominative (or accusative)
maanantaiden, keskiviikkojen -- plural genitive
maanantaita, keskiviikkoja -- plural partitive
maanantaina, keskiviikkoina -- plural essive
maanantaiksi, keskiviikoiksi -- plural translative
maanantaissa, keskiviikoissa -- plural inessive
maanantaista, keskiviikoista -- plural elative
maanantaihin, keskiviikkoihin -- plural illative
maanantailla, keskiviikoilla -- plural adessive
maanantailta, keskiviikoilta -- plural ablative
maanantaille, keskiviikoille -- plural allative
maanantaitta, keskiviikoitta -- plural abessive
maanantaine-, keskiviikkoine- -- (plural) comitative (rare)
maanantain(?), keskiviikoin -- plural instructive (rare)

In many of these, the plural is written the same as the singular.

I suppose a calendar application could use:
- the singular nominative for column headers (Monday, Tuesday)
- the singular essive for dates of events (on Monday)
- the singular elative and illative for the starting and ending days of a
multi-day event (spanning from Monday to Friday)
- the singular ablative and allative for the original and newly chosen dates of
a rescheduled event (postponed from Tuesday to Wednesday)
- "keskiviikkoisin" (mentioned in comment #30; I'm not sure this is the
instructive case of the adjective "keskiviikkoinen") for a recurring event

An email application that localizes the Date header might use only the singular
essive, which can luckily be formed by appending "na" to the singular
nominative case of any weekday and so doesn't need a separate format specifier
in strftime. (Some other words aren't so lucky.) This assumes that the strftime
format string is made localizable, but that should be done in any case because
I don't see how a programmer could choose the correct grammatical cases without
knowing the language. 

Are programmers or translators asking glibc to support any variants of weekday
names other than what it already has?

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Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2011-02-28  5:12 ` [Bug localedata/10871] Ru_RU month names are in incorrect form van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2012-11-18  7:49 ` a.m.suharev at gmail dot com
2012-11-18 12:23 ` [Bug localedata/10871] ru_RU: 'mon' array should contain both nominative and genitive cases ldv at altlinux dot org
2013-06-11 20:57 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2014-07-01  5:56 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-07-01  5:56 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2014-09-11  0:39 ` samos-project at meta dot ua
2014-09-11  1:57 ` samos-project at meta dot ua
2014-09-11  7:14 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
2015-10-28  2:59 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2015-10-28 21:33 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2015-11-19  1:56 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2015-11-20 18:40 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2015-11-26 23:50 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:18 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:29 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:34 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:39 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:46 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  2:54 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-05  3:09 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-08 21:03 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-01-13 21:20 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-13 23:50 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-01-14 12:38   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-01-14 12:40 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-01-14 12:51 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-01-14 13:31   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-01-14 13:34 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-01-14 14:42 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-01-17  0:23 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17  2:22   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-01-17  0:29 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17  2:11   ` Keld Simonsen
2016-01-17  1:06 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17  2:12 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-01-17  2:28 ` keld at keldix dot com
2016-01-17  8:07 ` kon at iki dot fi
2016-01-17 14:03 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17 15:57   ` Egmont Koblinger
2016-01-17 14:39 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2016-01-17 19:48 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2016-01-17 19:48 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-17 22:42 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-18  1:31 ` kon at iki dot fi [this message]
2016-01-19  1:30 ` van.de.bugger at gmail dot com
2016-01-20  7:13 ` kon at iki dot fi
2016-01-20  8:02 ` kon at iki dot fi
2016-01-21 23:16 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-23  7:27 ` kon at iki dot fi
2016-01-27 23:18 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-01-31 10:51 ` samos-project at meta dot ua
2016-03-03 14:06 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2016-03-04 22:33 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-03-24 11:15 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
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2016-03-24 11:26 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-03-24 11:26 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-04-18  5:44 ` vapier at gentoo dot org
2016-08-24 10:37 ` piotrdrag at gmail dot com
2016-08-28 23:48 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-10-18  0:31 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
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2016-10-28  0:10 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2016-12-22 23:06 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
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2016-12-22 23:40 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2017-03-20  8:48 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
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2017-03-20  8:58 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2017-03-20  9:02 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2017-03-20  9:11   ` Keld Simonsen
2017-03-20  9:05 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2017-03-20  9:14 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
2017-03-20  9:14 ` keld at keldix dot com
2017-03-20 10:39 ` digitalfreak at lingonborough dot com
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2017-04-12  8:15 ` fweimer at redhat dot com
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