From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16452 invoked by alias); 20 Jun 2014 11:05:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-locales-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-locales-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 15974 invoked by uid 55); 20 Jun 2014 11:04:21 -0000 From: "keld at keldix dot com" To: libc-locales@sourceware.org Subject: [Bug localedata/14641] Deprecate name_fmt Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 11:05:00 -0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: glibc X-Bugzilla-Component: localedata X-Bugzilla-Version: unspecified X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: enhancement X-Bugzilla-Who: keld at keldix dot com X-Bugzilla-Status: REOPENED X-Bugzilla-Priority: P2 X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: unassigned at sourceware dot org X-Bugzilla-Target-Milestone: --- X-Bugzilla-Flags: security- X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bugzilla-URL: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SW-Source: 2014-q2/txt/msg00190.txt.bz2 https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14641 --- Comment #21 from keld at keldix dot com --- On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 06:16:42AM +0000, bugdal at aerifal dot cx wrote: > https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14641 > > --- Comment #20 from Rich Felker --- > On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 05:48:35AM +0000, keld at keldix dot com wrote: > > The LC_NAME (and LC_ADDTESS) category addresses a real need for providing > > culturally acceptable software. Really many cultures use the Family name, > > first name convention, which is offending to me for my name. The world is > > rather > > split in two halves on the order of given name and family name. > > That's the naive and mistaken view that resulted in the creation of > LC_NAME/name_fmt to begin with. In reality there are a lot more > conventions than just these two, but the prevalence of information > systems that require names to be stored as a first/given name and a > last/family name seems to have made their existence much less visible. > Here are some other cultural conventions: > > - Only one name. Attempting to force these into a given/family pattern > is offensive and results in things like being assigned a "first > name" of "FNU" and having your given name treated as a family name. > > - Multiple names, but all given. Attempting to force these into a > given/family pattern is almost always offensive because it will > result in things like "Mr./Ms. Second-name", presenting a name > backwards as "Second-name First-name", etc. > > - Multiple family names. I don't even know how this is typically > handled. > > Wikipedia has some detailed coverage of the issues: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_name > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mononymous_person I think all of these examples can be covered with the existing LC_NAME spec. And they were all known at the time of specification. Best regards keld -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.