From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24817 invoked by alias); 23 Jun 2014 21:57:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact libc-locales-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: libc-locales-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 6652 invoked by uid 48); 23 Jun 2014 21:19:59 -0000 From: "bugdal at aerifal dot cx" To: libc-locales@sourceware.org Subject: [Bug localedata/14641] Deprecate name_fmt Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:57:00 -0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: glibc X-Bugzilla-Component: localedata X-Bugzilla-Version: unspecified X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: enhancement X-Bugzilla-Who: bugdal at aerifal dot cx X-Bugzilla-Status: REOPENED X-Bugzilla-Priority: P2 X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: unassigned at sourceware dot org X-Bugzilla-Target-Milestone: --- X-Bugzilla-Flags: security- X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bugzilla-URL: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SW-Source: 2014-q2/txt/msg00204.txt.bz2 https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14641 --- Comment #28 from Rich Felker --- > One could actually introduce a new keyword for women unmarried+married. > This is a convention found in many cultures. This would be a very bad change from my perspective. The entire aim of the locale system should be avoiding offending users by presenting information in a way that's culturally inappropriate. While in many cultures there is such a historical distinction in titles, it's generally not necessary to use such titles at all, and there will be a segment of members of the given culture who are offended by it, consider it backwards, misogynist, etc. like Florian mentioned. The locale system should not be reinforcing or giving preference to conservative elements of the cultures it's modelling. It should be neutral and acceptable to as diverse a group of people within the culture as possible. On a related issue, even storing people's gender or sex in your data is a bad idea unless it's absolutely essential. What do you do when the person's gender is ambiguous (particularly a problem in information systems where an employee, rather than the person being identified, enters their information into the system), or when the gender on their legal documents does not match the gender they identify as? Many systems nowadays seem to ask users to choose their title rather than asking them for gender, which seems like a thinly-veiled way of asking for gender, but even that has problems. For example you risk non-native speakers of the language not understanding what title means or what the choices are, then getting offended later when they're called by a gender-inappropriate title they (accidentally) selected. Anyway perhaps this is all tangential, but my point is that the locale system should be deprecating all of these things rather than reinforcing them. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.