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Bug ID: 25970
Summary: Hebrew is using general punctuation instead of
Product: glibc
Version: unspecified
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Severity: minor
Priority: P2
Component: localedata
Assignee: unassigned at sourceware dot org
Reporter: sh.yaron at gmail dot com
CC: libc-locales at sourceware dot org
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The current Hebrew implementation is using apostrophe and quotation mark for
Hebrew days and years, for example:
The current day form is: יום א'
Should actually be: יום א׳
The current year form is: התש"ף or ה'תש"ף
While it should be: התש״ף or ה׳תש״ף
This change should create a more standardized Hebrew experience including some
cosmetic changes, the Hebrew Geresh is RTL aligned in Unicode so inside an LTR
context it will still appear at the end while apostrophe is agnostic and it
will appear before the text (this is how it should work because of the context
- my first example demonstrates this perfectly).
Furthermore, both Geresh and Gershayim (in most fonts at least) should be
stylized and their top should meet the top of the glyph height while the
non-standard characters are "popping" above the glyph height.
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What |Removed |Added
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Summary|Hebrew is using general |Hebrew is using general
|punctuation instead of |punctuation instead of
| |native
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--- Comment #1 from Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com> ---
The one problem I see is that neither U+05F3 nor U+05F4 are present in Latin-8.
They are available in Windows-1255. But maybe this is not a problem because
everyone uses UTF-8 nowadays?
What would be the appropriate ASCII transliteration for U+05F3 and U+05F4?
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--- Comment #2 from sh.yaron at gmail dot com <sh.yaron at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1)
> The one problem I see is that neither U+05F3 nor U+05F4 are present in
> Latin-8. They are available in Windows-1255. But maybe this is not a problem
> because everyone uses UTF-8 nowadays?
>
> What would be the appropriate ASCII transliteration for U+05F3 and U+05F4?
If I understand you correctly then the current form is good enough in terms of
Latin8, but for Windows 1255 or Unicode these both have the standard symbols.
Is there an option for dual selection?
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--- Comment #3 from Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com> ---
(In reply to sh.yaron@gmail.com from comment #2)
> (In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #1)
> > The one problem I see is that neither U+05F3 nor U+05F4 are present in
> > Latin-8. They are available in Windows-1255. But maybe this is not a problem
> > because everyone uses UTF-8 nowadays?
> >
> > What would be the appropriate ASCII transliteration for U+05F3 and U+05F4?
>
> If I understand you correctly then the current form is good enough in terms
> of Latin8, but for Windows 1255 or Unicode these both have the standard
> symbols.
Good to know, thanks.
> Is there an option for dual selection?
I think we can transliterate ׳ to ' and ״ to ". Then ISO-8859-8 should get the
current form, and Windows-1255 and UTF-8 the corrected one, after we make the
locale changes you proposed.
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--- Comment #4 from Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com> ---
(In reply to sh.yaron@gmail.com from comment #0)
> The current year form is: התש"ף or ה'תש"ף
> While it should be: התש״ף or ה׳תש״ף
Sorry, one more question: Where do you see this year form? Can you get the
“date” command to print it?
I don't think it comes from glibc because we do not have any support for the
Hebrew calendar. (Our era support covers only calendars which are essentially
shifted from the Gregorian calendar.)
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What |Removed |Added
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Assignee|unassigned at sourceware dot org |fweimer at redhat dot com
Ever confirmed|0 |1
Status|UNCONFIRMED |ASSIGNED
Summary|Hebrew is using general |Use Geresh in he_IL locale
|punctuation instead of |
|native |
Last reconfirmed| |2020-05-12
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--- Comment #5 from Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com> ---
I think I have patches for this, except for the " vs ״ issue. I will post them
once we have clarity on the Gershayim part.
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--- Comment #6 from sh.yaron at gmail dot com <sh.yaron at gmail dot com> ---
(In reply to Florian Weimer from comment #5)
> I think I have patches for this, except for the " vs ״ issue. I will post
> them once we have clarity on the Gershayim part.
This is awesome, I'm sorry about the Gershayim part, I misunderstood the
libhdate code.
You can skip that part, I'm trying to handle it in another path.
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--- Comment #7 from Florian Weimer <fweimer at redhat dot com> ---
Patches posted:
https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2020-May/113899.html
https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2020-May/113900.html
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Thank you so much!
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