From: Anthony Green <green@moxielogic.com>
To: Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com>
Cc: Richard Henderson <rth@redhat.com>,
"libffi-discuss@sourceware.org" <libffi-discuss@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: Avoid stack/heap executable memory
Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 12:42:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACxje59nefxc_9ZtO7xMSEYsr+igrYe0mzx91GgCJCgHM4242g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5729CC44.10601@redhat.com>
Can't there be special kernel support for this kind of situation?
Like https://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/emutramp.txt
(resent because original was bounced by sourceware)
AG
On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 6:17 AM, Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 05/04/2016 12:32 AM, Richard Henderson wrote:
>> Of course, this will change the ABI, but I think we can work around that (at
>> least for ELF with symbol versioning), and also preserve the API. Of course,
>> there's a *lot* that can be cleaned up if we're willing to change the API...
>
> For a long while now I've wanted to go in the opposite direction: to
> use a small JIT compiler to generate efficient code for invocations in
> both directions. It doesn't have to be very complicated, and once
> you've generated code for any particular set of arguments that shim
> can be cached for use by any function with the same argument types.
> This could either use an existing JIT library or a custom JIT created
> just for libffi. It would often be way more efficient than what we do
> at present.
>
> But it would keep bumping up against the "no executable and writable
> memory!" meme. Of course security is important, but I can't help
> thinking that by being rigid about this we're performing a DOS attack
> on ourselves.
>
> Andrew.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-04 12:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-05-03 21:28 Demi Obenour
2016-05-03 23:33 ` Richard Henderson
2016-05-04 10:17 ` Andrew Haley
2016-05-04 12:42 ` Anthony Green [this message]
2016-05-04 16:14 ` Jay
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