From: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely@redhat.com>
To: Thiago Macieira <thiago.macieira@intel.com>
Cc: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely.gcc@gmail.com>,
Thomas Rodgers <trodgers@redhat.com>,
libstdc++ <libstdc++@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: C++2a synchronisation inefficient in GCC 11
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:29:25 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210226182925.GI3008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1636092.te1tArazUk@tjmaciei-mobl1>
On 26/02/21 09:37 -0800, Thiago Macieira via Libstdc++ wrote:
>On Friday, 26 February 2021 03:19:02 PST Jonathan Wakely wrote:
>> > has huge inefficiencies. Since everything in this implementation is
>> > inline and, once released, it will tie our hands until the next ABI break
>> > (libstdc++.so.
>> That's not true. By not committing to exporting these symbols from
>> libstdc++.so now, we can move them into the library later once the
>> design is stable.
>
>Hello Jonathan
>
>Thank you for replying.
>
>The problem is not the export or not export, it's that the protocol/method is
>locked down. We cannot change it in a future version, like changing the number
>of __waiter objects in the __waiters::_S_for function. Since that code gets
>inlined into every executable that uses it, future versions are bound to use
>the exact same selection until we break ABI.
Compiling C++20 code with GCC 11 and linking to C++20 code compiled
with GCC != 11 is unsupported. The ABI is expected to break for C++20
features.
We can change it. We WILL change it.
The world is not ending.
>> C++20 support is experimental and not stable. If you compile it with
>> GCC 11 you can't expect to link it to C++20 code compiled with GCC 12.
>> So for GCC 12 (or a later version) we could replace the inline
>> functions with non-inline code in libstdc++.so and commit to that
>> being stable.
>
>Oh? That's not a really widely understood fact. I see people using C++20 right
>now all the time in the cpplang slack and no one seems to be worried that
>support is experimental.
I can't really help it if people don't read documentation for
important tools they rely on.
https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx20
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-8/changes.html#libstdcxx
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-9/changes.html#libstdcxx
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-10/changes.html#libstdcxx
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-11/changes.html#libstdcxx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-26 18:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-25 22:50 Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 11:19 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 17:37 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 18:29 ` Jonathan Wakely [this message]
2021-02-26 19:30 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-26 21:17 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 21:18 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-26 21:39 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 18:47 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-26 23:53 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 23:58 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-27 0:11 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-27 0:18 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-27 0:36 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-27 0:44 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-27 0:53 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-27 1:03 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-03 14:30 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 17:07 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 17:14 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-27 0:22 ` Marc Glisse
2021-02-27 0:30 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-27 0:43 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 14:24 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 17:12 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 15:59 ` [PATCH 1/5] std::latch: reduce internal implementation from ptrdiff_t to int Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 15:59 ` [PATCH 2/5] Atomic __platform_wait: accept any 32-bit type, not just int Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 14:34 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 16:21 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 17:27 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 17:34 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-03 17:41 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 15:59 ` [PATCH 3/5] std::__atomic_wait: don't use __detail::__waiter with futex Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 15:59 ` [PATCH 4/5] barrier: use int instead of unsigned char for the phase state Thiago Macieira
2021-02-28 15:05 ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2021-03-01 16:28 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 17:24 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 17:38 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 17:40 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 18:06 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 19:08 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 18:12 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-01 19:44 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 20:35 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-01 21:54 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 22:04 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-01 22:21 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 22:31 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-01 22:40 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 15:59 ` [PATCH 5/5] barrier: optimise by not having the hasher in a loop Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 14:36 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 18:14 ` [PATCH 1/5] std::latch: reduce internal implementation from ptrdiff_t to int Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 19:08 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 19:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-27 0:13 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-28 21:31 ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2021-03-01 8:56 ` Richard Biener
2021-03-03 14:56 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 15:02 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 15:10 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 15:37 ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2021-03-01 16:32 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-03 14:34 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 17:14 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 17:18 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-27 1:13 ` C++2a synchronisation inefficient in GCC 11 Thomas Rodgers
2021-02-27 1:29 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-02-27 3:01 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 17:46 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 18:00 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 18:34 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 19:11 ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-27 2:02 ` Ville Voutilainen
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