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From: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely@redhat.com>
To: Thiago Macieira <thiago.macieira@intel.com>
Cc: Jonathan Wakely <jwakely.gcc@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Rodgers <trodgers@redhat.com>,
	libstdc++ <libstdc++@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: C++2a synchronisation inefficient in GCC 11
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:29:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210226182925.GI3008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1636092.te1tArazUk@tjmaciei-mobl1>

On 26/02/21 09:37 -0800, Thiago Macieira via Libstdc++ wrote:
>On Friday, 26 February 2021 03:19:02 PST Jonathan Wakely wrote:
>> > has huge inefficiencies. Since everything in this implementation is
>> > inline and, once released, it will tie our hands until the next ABI break
>> > (libstdc++.so.
>> That's not true. By not committing to exporting these symbols from
>> libstdc++.so now, we can move them into the library later once the
>> design is stable.
>
>Hello Jonathan
>
>Thank you for replying.
>
>The problem is not the export or not export, it's that the protocol/method is
>locked down. We cannot change it in a future version, like changing the number
>of __waiter objects in the __waiters::_S_for function. Since that code gets
>inlined into every executable that uses it, future versions are bound to use
>the exact same selection until we break ABI.

Compiling C++20 code with GCC 11 and linking to C++20 code compiled
with GCC != 11 is unsupported. The ABI is expected to break for C++20
features.

We can change it. We WILL change it.

The world is not ending.

>> C++20 support is experimental and not stable. If you compile it with
>> GCC 11 you can't expect to link it to C++20 code compiled with GCC 12.
>> So for GCC 12 (or a later version) we could replace the inline
>> functions with non-inline code in libstdc++.so and commit to that
>> being stable.
>
>Oh? That's not a really widely understood fact. I see people using C++20 right
>now all the time in the cpplang slack and no one seems to be worried that
>support is experimental.

I can't really help it if people don't read documentation for
important tools they rely on.

https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx20

https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-8/changes.html#libstdcxx
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-9/changes.html#libstdcxx
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-10/changes.html#libstdcxx
https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-11/changes.html#libstdcxx


  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-26 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-25 22:50 Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 11:19 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 17:37   ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 18:29     ` Jonathan Wakely [this message]
2021-02-26 19:30       ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-26 21:17         ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 21:18           ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-26 21:39             ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 18:47     ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-26 23:53       ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 23:58         ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-27  0:11           ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-27  0:18             ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-27  0:36               ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-27  0:44                 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-27  0:53                   ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-27  1:03                     ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-03 14:30                   ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 17:07                     ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 17:14                       ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-27  0:22             ` Marc Glisse
2021-02-27  0:30               ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-02-27  0:43               ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 14:24         ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 17:12           ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 15:59 ` [PATCH 1/5] std::latch: reduce internal implementation from ptrdiff_t to int Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 15:59   ` [PATCH 2/5] Atomic __platform_wait: accept any 32-bit type, not just int Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 14:34     ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 16:21       ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 17:27         ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 17:34         ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-03 17:41           ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 15:59   ` [PATCH 3/5] std::__atomic_wait: don't use __detail::__waiter with futex Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 15:59   ` [PATCH 4/5] barrier: use int instead of unsigned char for the phase state Thiago Macieira
2021-02-28 15:05     ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2021-03-01 16:28       ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 17:24       ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 17:38         ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 17:40           ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 18:06           ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 19:08             ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 18:12         ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-01 19:44           ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 20:35             ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-01 21:54               ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 22:04                 ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-01 22:21                   ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 22:31                     ` Ville Voutilainen
2021-03-01 22:40                       ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 15:59   ` [PATCH 5/5] barrier: optimise by not having the hasher in a loop Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 14:36     ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-26 18:14   ` [PATCH 1/5] std::latch: reduce internal implementation from ptrdiff_t to int Andreas Schwab
2021-02-26 19:08     ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-26 19:31       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-02-27  0:13         ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-28 21:31           ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2021-03-01  8:56             ` Richard Biener
2021-03-03 14:56               ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 15:02                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-03 15:10                 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 15:37                 ` Hans-Peter Nilsson
2021-03-01 16:32             ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-03 14:34   ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-03-03 17:14     ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-03 17:18       ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-02-27  1:13 ` C++2a synchronisation inefficient in GCC 11 Thomas Rodgers
2021-02-27  1:29   ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-02-27  3:01     ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 17:46       ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 18:00         ` Thiago Macieira
2021-03-01 18:34           ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-03-01 19:11             ` Thiago Macieira
2021-02-27  2:02   ` Ville Voutilainen

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