From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E7F3857C5F for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:38:57 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 31E7F3857C5F Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-354-bQJmkVDmO5OiWg4GkQMpAg-1; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 09:38:54 -0400 X-MC-Unique: bQJmkVDmO5OiWg4GkQMpAg-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D39B3108BD0B; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.33.36.164]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5FF69FB5; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:38:52 +0000 From: Jonathan Wakely To: "Koning, Paul" Cc: GCC Patches , "libstdc++@gcc.gnu.org" , Alexandre Oliva Subject: Re: require et random_device for cons token test Message-ID: <20210324133852.GG3008@redhat.com> References: <20210324085907.GD3008@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: libstdc++@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Libstdc++ mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:38:58 -0000 On 24/03/21 13:22 +0000, Koning, Paul via Libstdc++ wrote: > > >> On Mar 24, 2021, at 4:59 AM, Jonathan Wakely via Gcc-patches wrote: >> >> On 24/03/21 03:53 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >>> >>> On target systems that don't support any random_device, not even the >>> default one, >> >> It should be impossible to have no random_device. > >Not true; deeply embedded systems might not have one. Among GCC platforms, pdp11 doesn't have one, and at least some vax platforms probably don't either. I'm talking about the C++ std::random_device type, not the /dev/random block device. >> As a fallback a >> pseudo random number generator should be used. > >Presumably yes -- it seems unlikely that GCC tests depend on cryptographic strength of the random nummber generator. If a PRNG is used then the classic FORTRAN "random" function would serve. Libstdc++ already contains several PNRGs, we don't need to use Fortran's.