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From: David Gilbert <david.gilbert@object-refinery.com>
To: Jeroen Frijters <jeroen@sumatra.nl>
Cc: Roman Kennke <roman@kennke.org>,
	classpath@gnu.org,         mauve-discuss@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Testing JDK bugs?
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:32:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44C8EAD2.5070607@object-refinery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D92197D0A6547B44A1567814F851FA6827A538@LEMBU.sumatrasoftware.com>

Jeroen Frijters wrote:

>David Gilbert wrote:
>  
>
>>The theory is easy:  Mauve should test AN implementation against THE 
>>spec.
>>    
>>
>
>Pardon me for beating my favorite horse again, but this assumes that the
>spec is somehow more valuable than code and/or that the spec doesn't
>contain bugs. In the real world both are buggy and users rarely care
>about the spec, especially when their app works on the RI, but not on
>our implementation.
>
>Allow me to rebut another issue that often comes up: "We'll make it spec
>compliant and when someone finds an application that depends on the RI
>behavior then we'll copy that behavior."
>
>IMNSHO, this is actually a very dumb approach. It makes our
>implementation worse than the RI in two ways:
>
>1) Apps coded against the RI (possibly) don't work out of the box.
>2) Apps coded against our implementation (and spec) run the risk of
>breaking in the future when we randomly decide to start emulating the RI
>instead of the spec.
>
>Of course, things aren't black and white and issues should be decided on
>a case by case basis, but considering the spec holy is not doing anybody
>any service.
>  
>

I'm sorry to have set you off.  Bear in mind that there is a difference 
between the theory and the practice here...I'm not too hung up on the 
theory, and I think the remainder of my original post made that clear.

Regards,

Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-27 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-27  9:49 Roman Kennke
2006-07-27 13:08 ` David Gilbert
2006-07-27 14:56   ` Jeroen Frijters
2006-07-27 16:32     ` David Gilbert [this message]
2006-07-27 17:01     ` Andrew Haley
2006-07-28  7:56       ` Jeroen Frijters
2006-07-28 12:33         ` Sven de Marothy
2006-07-28 14:51         ` Tom Tromey

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