From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18447 invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2006 17:25:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 18395 invoked by uid 22791); 16 Feb 2006 17:25:07 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.202) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:25:05 +0000 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s11so114600wxc for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.90.5 with SMTP id n5mr1371291wxb; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.109.9 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:25:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:25:00 -0000 From: Stuart Ballard To: Archie Cobbs Subject: Re: Mauve license Cc: GNU Classpath , mauve-discuss@sourceware.org In-Reply-To: <43F4B2F9.9090801@dellroad.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43F4B2F9.9090801@dellroad.org> Mailing-List: contact mauve-discuss-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Subscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: mauve-discuss-owner@sourceware.org X-SW-Source: 2006-q1/txt/msg00031.txt.bz2 On 2/16/06, Archie Cobbs wrote: > This Apache/Harmony thing vs. Claspath/GPL debate is just so tempting.. := -) Heh. > But let's talk practicalities.. here's a simple thing I don't understand. > > What exactly prevents Harmony from using Mauve as a test suite? Nothing, and in fact I think they plan to do just that. But as I understand it their current plan is to use Mauve *in addition to* (and secondary to) their own test suite and only develop their own tests in their own repository. So we end up with two test suites being developed by two disjoint groups, both of whom are free to (and likely to) *run* the other group's suite against their own implementation, but still no actual cooperation. > So then if Apache only wants to run Mauve tests, what impact does Mauve > being GPL have? Why can Apache folks just download Mauve and run it, > the same way Classpath hackers do? Mauve is its own self-contained projec= t. They can, but the Classpath hackers don't just run it, they write it too. Basically, I just don't see why Mauve *should* be GPL. There's absolutely no benefit in claiming copyleft on it and a considerable benefit from not doing so. Other than the issue of finding copyright holders, why *shouldn't* it be X11 or modified-BSD licensed so that anyone can use it as they see fit? I'm a GPL supporter in general but using it on a testsuite seems really wrong to me. > As to the issue of converting Mauve to JUnit, that's surely a lot of work > any way you slice it, and in any case that seems like an orthogonal issue. Yes, at this moment I'm only concerned with political issues. Technical issues are so much easier that they can be deferred for now ;) Stuart. -- http://sab39.dev.netreach.com/