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Eigler" , Overseers mailing list Cc: Ian Kelling , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <2513b668-9ebd-9e78-7263-dc24f4a9558a@redhat.com> <20221013182529.sm76fysq37sv754x@cgf.cx> <9c0a9111-07b1-3617-c5c8-4b12e616f985@gotplt.org> <7abeb179-2c05-eee9-bd68-3b5f8a11bd32@gotplt.org> <87zgdmyg30.fsf@fsf.org> <230909ee-fb2c-cca0-abbe-fd7d6434efab@gotplt.org> <20221023151640.GA8034@redhat.com> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar In-Reply-To: <20221023151640.GA8034@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3030.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2022-10-23 11:16, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Hi - > >> [...] Given that the current sourceware admins have decided to >> block migration of all sourceware assets to the LF IT [...] > > If you're trying to say that projects have not unanimously shown > interest in moving infrastructure to LF IT, just say that. Don't > blame overseers. I did not say that, although no project (barring maybe elfutils and systemtap, assuming that your and Mark's objection as overseers implies that you do not want to move to LF IT) has specifically *opposed* moving infrastructure to LF IT either. To be specific, gcc steering committee and glibc FSF stewards have announced the decision for their projects, Nick announced for binutils that he supports moving to LF IT (with the caveat that he won't abandon sourceware, I assume that means he'd like to use sourceware as a mirror or something similar) but gdb folks have been silent so far. Given how gdb and binutils are coupled, the gdb conversation really needs to happen at some point. From private conversations with folks from the gdb community, it seems to me that they're primarily avoiding getting into this public spat. I am not aware of any opposition from maintainers of libabigail or cygwin or any other active sourceware based project over moving either, but I haven't had any links to those projects, so I may be uninformed. > If you're trying to suggest that overseers, contrary to our repeated > public statements, wish to block all migration, that is untrue and you > will need to retract this. Here's a more precise statement: Two of the overseers are leaders of projects hosted on sourceware and three overseers (including those two) have stated clearly on multiple occasions that transitioning to LF IT is off the table, effectively announcing their decision on behalf of projects they lead. It is hence clear that the overseers have effectively blocked full migration of sourceware to LF IT. Sid