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[130.44.146.16]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f18-20020a05620a20d200b0078eaf335331sm12550761qka.77.2024.05.01.13.04.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 May 2024 13:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0d0af1d9-21f8-4c60-ad4c-cd82c0c0cabb@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 16:04:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Updated Sourceware infrastructure plans To: Jeff Law Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Overseers mailing list , Mark Wielaard , Joseph Myers , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Tom Tromey References: <20240417232725.GC25080@gnu.wildebeest.org> <20240418173726.GD9069@redhat.com> <87v849qudy.fsf@tromey.com> <87wmooep76.fsf@tromey.com> <0347e05a-94c6-4ecc-aa8f-cc90358a813d@gmail.com> From: Jason Merrill In-Reply-To: <0347e05a-94c6-4ecc-aa8f-cc90358a813d@gmail.com> X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 5/1/24 12:15, Jeff Law wrote: > > > On 4/22/24 9:24 PM, Tom Tromey wrote: >> Jason> Someone mentioned earlier that gerrit was previously tried >> Jason> unsuccessfully. >> >> We tried it and gdb and then abandoned it.  We tried to integrate it >> into the traditional gdb development style, having it send email to >> gdb-patches.  I found these somewhat hard to read and in the end we >> agreed not to use it. >> >> I've come around again to thinking we should probably abandon email >> instead.  For me the main benefit is that gerrit has patch tracking, >> unlike our current system, where losing patches is fairly routine. >> >> Jason> I think this is a common pattern in GCC at least: someone has an >> Jason> idea for a workflow improvement, and gets it working, but it >> Jason> isn't widely adopted. >> >> It essentially has to be mandated, IMO. >> >> For GCC this seems somewhat harder since the community is larger, so >> there's more people to convince. > I tend to think it's the principal reviewers that will drive this.  If > several of the key folks indicated they were going to use system XYZ, > whatever it is, that would drive everyone to that system. > > We're currently using patchwork to track patches tagged with RISC-V.  We > don't do much review with patchwork.  In that model patchwork ultimately > just adds overhead as I'm constantly trying to figure out what patches > have been integrated vs what are still outstanding. > > Patchwork definitely isn't the answer IMHO.  Nor is gitlab MRs which we > use heavily internally.  But boy I want to get away from email and to a > pull request kind of flow. Do you (or others) have any thoughts about GitLab FOSS? Jason