* ~ftp/private/... @ 2000-12-30 6:08 Andrew Cagney 2000-04-26 1:17 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Cagney @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory? I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....) before it gets officially released. Andrew ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney @ 2000-04-26 1:17 ` Andrew Cagney 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Cagney @ 2000-04-26 1:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: overseers Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory? I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....) before it gets officially released. Andrew ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney 2000-04-26 1:17 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney @ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda 2000-04-26 1:31 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Cagney; +Cc: overseers On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:16:48PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote: > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory? Oh oh, Mr. Carter! Me, me! I set up sourceware without a ~ftp/private on purpose. It is easy for maintainers or core developers to put things in private directories needlessly, to cut themselves off from potential contributors and muckers-at-large (who knows what those random net people might do!) The lack of a ~ftp/private dir is not an oversight. It's the approach we took at Cygnus for a long time[1]. It is the wrong approach. So I didn't create a ~ftp/private dir on sourceware to help break people of these habits. [1] To be fair, everyone did it this way in the past. But the world has progressed, and this approach is no longer favored. There have been two other instances where the lack of a ~ftp/private dir has annoyed maintainers on sourceware, but in both cases we found usable workarounds. > I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file > gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....) > before it gets officially released. Ah, I would suggest ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-4.18.9[0-9].tar.gz. Or when you get really close, ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-5.0pre1.tar.gz. What purpose does a private dir serve? We've been putting snapshots up in /pub/ for years, how is a snapshot worse? About the only thing you need to avoid is putting something called "gdb-5.0.tar.gz" on the ftp dir that isn't really the final tarball. But you'd be foolish to do something like that even to a private dir. Free the Software, Jason ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda @ 2000-04-26 1:31 ` Jason Molenda 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-04-26 1:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Cagney; +Cc: overseers On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:16:48PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote: > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory? Oh oh, Mr. Carter! Me, me! I set up sourceware without a ~ftp/private on purpose. It is easy for maintainers or core developers to put things in private directories needlessly, to cut themselves off from potential contributors and muckers-at-large (who knows what those random net people might do!) The lack of a ~ftp/private dir is not an oversight. It's the approach we took at Cygnus for a long time[1]. It is the wrong approach. So I didn't create a ~ftp/private dir on sourceware to help break people of these habits. [1] To be fair, everyone did it this way in the past. But the world has progressed, and this approach is no longer favored. There have been two other instances where the lack of a ~ftp/private dir has annoyed maintainers on sourceware, but in both cases we found usable workarounds. > I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file > gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....) > before it gets officially released. Ah, I would suggest ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-4.18.9[0-9].tar.gz. Or when you get really close, ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-5.0pre1.tar.gz. What purpose does a private dir serve? We've been putting snapshots up in /pub/ for years, how is a snapshot worse? About the only thing you need to avoid is putting something called "gdb-5.0.tar.gz" on the ftp dir that isn't really the final tarball. But you'd be foolish to do something like that even to a private dir. Free the Software, Jason ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda 2000-04-26 1:31 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda @ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Andrew Cagney 2000-04-26 2:15 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Cagney @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Molenda; +Cc: overseers Jason Molenda wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:16:48PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote: > > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory? > > Oh oh, Mr. Carter! Me, me! So, who is Mr Carter? > > I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file > > gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....) > > before it gets officially released. > > Ah, I would suggest ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-4.18.9[0-9].tar.gz. > Or when you get really close, ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-5.0pre1.tar.gz. > > What purpose does a private dir serve? We've been putting snapshots up > in /pub/ for years, how is a snapshot worse? About the only thing you > need to avoid is putting something called "gdb-5.0.tar.gz" on the ftp > dir that isn't really the final tarball. But you'd be foolish to do > something like that even to a private dir. Eventually, I'll get to the point where I have to create what is hoped to be the golden archive and have one or two people test that. If it isn't correctly named, it isn't a true final test. Eventually, I will have to be foolish :-) enjoy, Andrew ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney @ 2000-04-26 2:15 ` Andrew Cagney 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Stan Shebs 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Cagney @ 2000-04-26 2:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Molenda; +Cc: overseers Jason Molenda wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 06:16:48PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote: > > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory? > > Oh oh, Mr. Carter! Me, me! So, who is Mr Carter? > > I'm going to need somewhere that isn't mirrored to put the dreaded file > > gdb-5.0.tar.gz (well actually gdb-4.18.90.tar.gz, gdb-4.18.91, ....) > > before it gets officially released. > > Ah, I would suggest ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-4.18.9[0-9].tar.gz. > Or when you get really close, ~ftp/pub/gdb/snapshots/gdb-5.0pre1.tar.gz. > > What purpose does a private dir serve? We've been putting snapshots up > in /pub/ for years, how is a snapshot worse? About the only thing you > need to avoid is putting something called "gdb-5.0.tar.gz" on the ftp > dir that isn't really the final tarball. But you'd be foolish to do > something like that even to a private dir. Eventually, I'll get to the point where I have to create what is hoped to be the golden archive and have one or two people test that. If it isn't correctly named, it isn't a true final test. Eventually, I will have to be foolish :-) enjoy, Andrew ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney 2000-04-26 2:15 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney @ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Stan Shebs 2000-04-26 7:24 ` ~ftp/private/ Stan Shebs 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Stan Shebs @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Cagney; +Cc: Jason Molenda, overseers Andrew Cagney wrote: > > Eventually, I'll get to the point where I have to create what is hoped > to be the golden archive and have one or two people test that. > > If it isn't correctly named, it isn't a true final test. Eventually, I > will have to be foolish :-) I understand the motivation, but I don't think you need to go to that much trouble. If by some incredible mischance, renaming the archive and version string for the final release causes a bug, then you can just create a 5.0.1 quickly, and everybody will be fine with that. You're far more likely to get bug reports on 5.0 because many more people try the release than the pre-release snapshots, alas only way to get those reports is to do the release for real. Stan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Stan Shebs @ 2000-04-26 7:24 ` Stan Shebs 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Stan Shebs @ 2000-04-26 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Cagney; +Cc: Jason Molenda, overseers Andrew Cagney wrote: > > Eventually, I'll get to the point where I have to create what is hoped > to be the golden archive and have one or two people test that. > > If it isn't correctly named, it isn't a true final test. Eventually, I > will have to be foolish :-) I understand the motivation, but I don't think you need to go to that much trouble. If by some incredible mischance, renaming the archive and version string for the final release causes a bug, then you can just create a 5.0.1 quickly, and everybody will be fine with that. You're far more likely to get bug reports on 5.0 because many more people try the release than the pre-release snapshots, alas only way to get those reports is to do the release for real. Stan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney 2000-04-26 2:15 ` ~ftp/private/ Andrew Cagney 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Stan Shebs @ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda 2000-04-26 10:16 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jim Kingdon 2 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Cagney; +Cc: overseers On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 07:13:20PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote: > > > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory? > > > > Oh oh, Mr. Carter! Me, me! > So, who is Mr Carter? I'm so lame, I meant "Kotter". There was a lame TV show here in the US in the 70s called "Welcome Back Kotter", one of the characters said this. It seemed funny at the time. I should probably add to my objection of a ~ftp/private dir that I don't work for Red Hat any longer :-), and my opinions are just opinions. If one of the current maintainers thinks that this is silly, I'm not going to pout in a corner upon the creation of a ~ftp/private directory. J ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda @ 2000-04-26 10:16 ` Jason Molenda 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jim Kingdon 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-04-26 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Cagney; +Cc: overseers On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 07:13:20PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote: > > > Anyone object to me creating a ~ftp/private (/gdb) directory? > > > > Oh oh, Mr. Carter! Me, me! > So, who is Mr Carter? I'm so lame, I meant "Kotter". There was a lame TV show here in the US in the 70s called "Welcome Back Kotter", one of the characters said this. It seemed funny at the time. I should probably add to my objection of a ~ftp/private dir that I don't work for Red Hat any longer :-), and my opinions are just opinions. If one of the current maintainers thinks that this is silly, I'm not going to pout in a corner upon the creation of a ~ftp/private directory. J ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda 2000-04-26 10:16 ` ~ftp/private/ Jason Molenda @ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jim Kingdon 2000-04-28 11:27 ` ~ftp/private/ Jim Kingdon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jim Kingdon @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jason-swarelist; +Cc: ac131313, overseers > I should probably add to my objection of a ~ftp/private dir that > I don't work for Red Hat any longer :-), and my opinions are just > opinions. If one of the current maintainers thinks that this is silly, I don't see the need for a private directory either. At least not for the reasons given so far in this thread. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: ~ftp/private/... 2000-12-30 6:08 ` ~ftp/private/ Jim Kingdon @ 2000-04-28 11:27 ` Jim Kingdon 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jim Kingdon @ 2000-04-28 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: jason-swarelist; +Cc: ac131313, overseers > I should probably add to my objection of a ~ftp/private dir that > I don't work for Red Hat any longer :-), and my opinions are just > opinions. If one of the current maintainers thinks that this is silly, I don't see the need for a private directory either. At least not for the reasons given so far in this thread. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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