From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Gerald Pfeifer To: overseers@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: Visited http://www.orbs.org/ recently? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:27:00 -0000 Message-ID: References: <20000717164705.A26134@shell17.ba.best.com> X-SW-Source: 2000-q3/msg00066.html Message-ID: <20000717172700.c6P5_5Tv6hsZj9qV8B5EuX2xVIiBm6gQMmqQqc3CD80@z> On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Jason Molenda wrote: > Paul Vixie et al, according to the ORBS page. > > I don't know... I don't know Vixie at all, but I've always thought > of him as a non-moron, and the things that the ORBS page allege > seem moronic. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions without any more > information. I can't help but think that someone has hacked the > ORBS page and stuck it there as a joke or something. Nope. And Vixie, well, read yourself: [Abovenet] readvertise the /16 which ORBS's upstream provider advertises to Abovenet. [...] Now, the fact is, Abovenet is pretty good, and so the /16 they readvertise is going to be the preferred path for a lot of folks to reach ORBS's upstream and therefore ORBS itself. And, since Abovenet does not route for ORBS even though they readvertise the /16 advertised to them by ORBS's upstream, ORBS loses some amount of connectivity due to Abovenet's nonrouting of ORBS. The last sentence is the crucial one: Abovenet does not provide access to ORBS (website,...) to its own customers, but it also readvertises routes to ORBS to its peers/downstreams and then sinks them in its internal network. Unbelievable, but true. (You might want to check with your providers and ask them to overrule this via static routes. I already did so over a month ago; now the entire Austrian Academic Network routes around Abovenet to reach ORBS.) Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ Have a look at http://petition.eurolinux.org -- it's not about Linux, btw!