From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jason Molenda To: Andrew Cagney Cc: overseers@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list] Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:13:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20000728011348.A1628@shell17.ba.best.com> References: <20000727232256.A20873@cygnus.com> <200007280441.AAA23359@panix2.panix.com> <20000728004742.A30000@cygnus.com> <39811971.59191C5@cygnus.com> X-SW-Source: 2000-q3/msg00171.html Message-ID: <20000728011300.c9vKdZMDyW9lskY7HDiTt2MhdXIN3p-W6l8KAhUbwko@z> On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 03:26:09PM +1000, Andrew Cagney wrote: > There is a rumor kicking around that ORBS black listed ``Telstra''. > Telstra directly or indirectly controls about half of Australia's IP > address space. Think about this - half of the Australian Internet can't > send e-mail .... Must .. restrain .. self ... must not .. make obvious Aussie jokes ... Ouch, it hurts to keep it in. ORBS is pretty straightforward. If your MTA relays third-party mail, you get listed. If you deny the ORBS probes, you get listed. It doesn't matter if you're a Uni, if you're IBM, if you're all of Mongolia, if your MTA relays third party mail, your MTA will get listed. I won't argue for or against its use on sourceware - it is not for me to decide. But by its use, you are saying, "We do not want to receive mail from any system that allows abuse by spammers, regardless of who that system is." By using ORBS, you are saying that the spam ORBS stops outweighs the legitimate notes that are unnecessarily denied. If the sourceware maintainers don't think these trade-offs are correct any longer, it's entirely within their power to stop using ORBS. J