* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup " Ian Lance Taylor
@ 2000-07-28 10:20 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Ian Lance Taylor @ 2000-07-28 10:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jason-swarelist; +Cc: ac131313, overseers
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:13:48 -0700
From: Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com>
ORBS is pretty straightforward. If your MTA relays third-party
mail, you get listed. If you deny the ORBS probes, you get listed.
That is what ORBS used to be, but it has gotten more complicated.
I believe we should only block relays which are shown to relay. I do
not believe we should block sites which ORBS has put on their static
list. I believe that ORBS has simply gotten too hard to deal with.
There are legitimate reasons to block ORBS testing: it is, in fact,
spam by any reasonable definition. I am a domain owner who runs a
mail server and I receive ORBS spam in my mailbox. Blocking ORBS
testing does not in any way imply that you are an open relay.
I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org. The
ORBS web pages should have the actual information (I'm on the train as
I write this, and for some reason Ricochet is still not selling their
modems).
Ian
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2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup " Ian Lance Taylor
2000-07-28 10:20 ` Ian Lance Taylor
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
2000-07-28 11:06 ` Jason Molenda
` (2 more replies)
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmailsetup " Gerald Pfeifer
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup " Jim Kingdon
3 siblings, 3 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers
On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 09:53:16AM -0700, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:13:48 -0700
> From: Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com>
>
> ORBS is pretty straightforward. If your MTA relays third-party
> mail, you get listed. If you deny the ORBS probes, you get listed.
>
> That is what ORBS used to be, but it has gotten more complicated.
>
> I believe we should only block relays which are shown to relay.
I'd agree with this. I've seen some sites, like HJ's personal
system, get ORBS-static listed because he was on vacation for a
couple of weeks and turned his computer off. I think at one point
they used to do some kind of independant checking to see if the
system was actually relaying mail and specifically blocking ORBS,
but the ORBS maintainer may have slacked off on that.
> I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org.
If anyone feels motivated, rblcheck would need to be recompiled,
there is a config.h type header which hard-codes the RBLs that we
consult. The sources are undoubtedly in /usr/local/src.
J
PS- In a shameless note of self-promotion :-), for filtering one's
own mail, Yahoo Mail has an unusually effective spam blocking
mechanism in place, and you can have Y Mail forward you mail to
your own real mailbox (you have to agree to get spammed by Yahoo
about once a week 'cause you won't be looking at our delicious
banner ads), or you can pick it up via POP. As an added plus,
we've got software from Symantec in the loop which scans and disables
most of those Winblows viruses that people are sending around these
days.
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2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
@ 2000-07-28 11:06 ` Jason Molenda
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
2 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-07-28 11:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers
On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 09:53:16AM -0700, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:13:48 -0700
> From: Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com>
>
> ORBS is pretty straightforward. If your MTA relays third-party
> mail, you get listed. If you deny the ORBS probes, you get listed.
>
> That is what ORBS used to be, but it has gotten more complicated.
>
> I believe we should only block relays which are shown to relay.
I'd agree with this. I've seen some sites, like HJ's personal
system, get ORBS-static listed because he was on vacation for a
couple of weeks and turned his computer off. I think at one point
they used to do some kind of independant checking to see if the
system was actually relaying mail and specifically blocking ORBS,
but the ORBS maintainer may have slacked off on that.
> I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org.
If anyone feels motivated, rblcheck would need to be recompiled,
there is a config.h type header which hard-codes the RBLs that we
consult. The sources are undoubtedly in /usr/local/src.
J
PS- In a shameless note of self-promotion :-), for filtering one's
own mail, Yahoo Mail has an unusually effective spam blocking
mechanism in place, and you can have Y Mail forward you mail to
your own real mailbox (you have to agree to get spammed by Yahoo
about once a week 'cause you won't be looking at our delicious
banner ads), or you can pick it up via POP. As an added plus,
we've got software from Symantec in the loop which scans and disables
most of those Winblows viruses that people are sending around these
days.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
2000-07-28 11:06 ` Jason Molenda
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-07-28 12:49 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
2 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Ian Lance Taylor @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jason-swarelist; +Cc: overseers
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:05:39 -0700
From: Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com>
If anyone feels motivated, rblcheck would need to be recompiled,
there is a config.h type header which hard-codes the RBLs that we
consult. The sources are undoubtedly in /usr/local/src.
FYI, the current ucspi-tcp includes an rblsmtpd program which supports
command line options.
Ian
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* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
@ 2000-07-28 12:49 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Ian Lance Taylor @ 2000-07-28 12:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jason-swarelist; +Cc: overseers
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:05:39 -0700
From: Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com>
If anyone feels motivated, rblcheck would need to be recompiled,
there is a config.h type header which hard-codes the RBLs that we
consult. The sources are undoubtedly in /usr/local/src.
FYI, the current ucspi-tcp includes an rblsmtpd program which supports
command line options.
Ian
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-07-28 12:49 ` Ian Lance Taylor
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
2000-07-28 14:03 ` Jason Molenda
1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers
On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 12:49:42PM -0700, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> FYI, the current ucspi-tcp includes an rblsmtpd program which supports
> command line options.
I used to check the RBL's at the SMTP level, but this results in
people not being able to send mail to any addr at sourceware.
People who were RBL'ed couldn't subscribe, unsubscribe, complain
to the list owner, or do anything else @sourceware. This was
particularly lame for e.g. announce lists -- the people subscribing
will never post a note, so excluding them just because they're
RBL'ed was unnecessary. (incidentally, this was one of the reasons
for leaving the 'sourcemaster' @cygnus.com; people needed some
non-sware addr to complain to)
The check-rbls.sh (or whatever that script is called) being in the
DIR/editor file moves the check down to the point where someone is
trying to post a note to the list. It also let me customize the
bounce message to provide better explanations about the note was
rejected. I think the rejection note user used to get had a message
like "400 - Your host is listed in ORBS.".
J
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* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
@ 2000-07-28 14:03 ` Jason Molenda
0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-07-28 14:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers
On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 12:49:42PM -0700, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> FYI, the current ucspi-tcp includes an rblsmtpd program which supports
> command line options.
I used to check the RBL's at the SMTP level, but this results in
people not being able to send mail to any addr at sourceware.
People who were RBL'ed couldn't subscribe, unsubscribe, complain
to the list owner, or do anything else @sourceware. This was
particularly lame for e.g. announce lists -- the people subscribing
will never post a note, so excluding them just because they're
RBL'ed was unnecessary. (incidentally, this was one of the reasons
for leaving the 'sourcemaster' @cygnus.com; people needed some
non-sware addr to complain to)
The check-rbls.sh (or whatever that script is called) being in the
DIR/editor file moves the check down to the point where someone is
trying to post a note to the list. It also let me customize the
bounce message to provide better explanations about the note was
rejected. I think the rejection note user used to get had a message
like "400 - Your host is listed in ORBS.".
J
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
2000-07-28 11:06 ` Jason Molenda
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
2000-07-28 14:28 ` Jason Molenda
2 siblings, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers
On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 11:05:39AM -0700, Jason Molenda wrote:
> PS- In a shameless note of self-promotion :-), for filtering one's
> own mail, Yahoo Mail has an unusually effective spam blocking
> mechanism in place, and you can have Y Mail forward you mail to
> your own real mailbox (you have to agree to get spammed by Yahoo
> about once a week 'cause you won't be looking at our delicious
> banner ads), or you can pick it up via POP. As an added plus,
> we've got software from Symantec in the loop which scans and disables
> most of those Winblows viruses that people are sending around these
> days.
BTW I talked to one of the Mail guys and I found out I misunderstood.
You only get the virus filtering if you're using the Yahoo Mail
web interface. (it gives you an option to check an attachment for
viruses before downloading)
The spam blocking doesn't take place if you're getting your mail
forwarded (when Y Mail receives a note destined for a forwarded
mailbox, it just bounces it over there).
The spam blocker does add a header to the mail note if you're
reading your mail via POP, and you can configure your MUA to toss
the note if that header is present.
Jason
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* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
@ 2000-07-28 14:28 ` Jason Molenda
0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jason Molenda @ 2000-07-28 14:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: overseers
On Fri, Jul 28, 2000 at 11:05:39AM -0700, Jason Molenda wrote:
> PS- In a shameless note of self-promotion :-), for filtering one's
> own mail, Yahoo Mail has an unusually effective spam blocking
> mechanism in place, and you can have Y Mail forward you mail to
> your own real mailbox (you have to agree to get spammed by Yahoo
> about once a week 'cause you won't be looking at our delicious
> banner ads), or you can pick it up via POP. As an added plus,
> we've got software from Symantec in the loop which scans and disables
> most of those Winblows viruses that people are sending around these
> days.
BTW I talked to one of the Mail guys and I found out I misunderstood.
You only get the virus filtering if you're using the Yahoo Mail
web interface. (it gives you an option to check an attachment for
viruses before downloading)
The spam blocking doesn't take place if you're getting your mail
forwarded (when Y Mail receives a note destined for a forwarded
mailbox, it just bounces it over there).
The spam blocker does add a header to the mail note if you're
reading your mail via POP, and you can configure your MUA to toss
the note if that header is present.
Jason
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmailsetup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup " Ian Lance Taylor
2000-07-28 10:20 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jason Molenda
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2000-07-28 12:56 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Andrew Cagney
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup " Jim Kingdon
3 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Gerald Pfeifer @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ian Lance Taylor; +Cc: jason-swarelist, ac131313, overseers
On 28 Jul 2000, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org.
This looks like a good compromise!
The first is a real open relay, which is indeed listed by outputs
taygeta[84]:~/x% host -a 16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org
16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org A 127.0.0.3
16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org TXT "Open relay output - see....
taygeta[85]:~/x% host -a 1.111.15.203.outputs.orbs.org
1.111.15.203.outputs.orbs.org does not exist (Authoritative answer)
taygeta[87]:~/x% host -a 1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org
1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org A 127.0.0.4
1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org TXT "Telstra - spam haveners....
The final two are for the IP that started this thread. It seems this is
the behavior we want..
Gerald
--
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/
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* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmailsetup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmailsetup " Gerald Pfeifer
@ 2000-07-28 12:56 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Andrew Cagney
1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Gerald Pfeifer @ 2000-07-28 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Ian Lance Taylor; +Cc: jason-swarelist, ac131313, overseers
On 28 Jul 2000, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org.
This looks like a good compromise!
The first is a real open relay, which is indeed listed by outputs
taygeta[84]:~/x% host -a 16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org
16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org A 127.0.0.3
16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org TXT "Open relay output - see....
taygeta[85]:~/x% host -a 1.111.15.203.outputs.orbs.org
1.111.15.203.outputs.orbs.org does not exist (Authoritative answer)
taygeta[87]:~/x% host -a 1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org
1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org A 127.0.0.4
1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org TXT "Telstra - spam haveners....
The final two are for the IP that started this thread. It seems this is
the behavior we want..
Gerald
--
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/
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* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmailsetup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmailsetup " Gerald Pfeifer
2000-07-28 12:56 ` Gerald Pfeifer
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Andrew Cagney
2000-07-28 18:52 ` Andrew Cagney
1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cagney @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gerald Pfeifer; +Cc: overseers
Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
>
> On 28 Jul 2000, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> > I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> > which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org.
>
> This looks like a good compromise!
>
> The first is a real open relay, which is indeed listed by outputs
>
> taygeta[84]:~/x% host -a 16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org
> 16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org A 127.0.0.3
> 16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org TXT "Open relay output - see....
>
> taygeta[85]:~/x% host -a 1.111.15.203.outputs.orbs.org
> 1.111.15.203.outputs.orbs.org does not exist (Authoritative answer)
>
> taygeta[87]:~/x% host -a 1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org
> 1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org A 127.0.0.4
> 1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org TXT "Telstra - spam haveners....
>
> The final two are for the IP that started this thread. It seems this is
> the behavior we want..
Please do this.
To give this context, black listing telstra is roughly equivalent to
black listing AT&T on the grounds that Tele-marketers use AT&T exchanges
to route their phone calls.
Andrew
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* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmailsetup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Andrew Cagney
@ 2000-07-28 18:52 ` Andrew Cagney
0 siblings, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Cagney @ 2000-07-28 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gerald Pfeifer; +Cc: overseers
Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
>
> On 28 Jul 2000, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> > I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> > which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org.
>
> This looks like a good compromise!
>
> The first is a real open relay, which is indeed listed by outputs
>
> taygeta[84]:~/x% host -a 16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org
> 16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org A 127.0.0.3
> 16.56.236.132.outputs.orbs.org TXT "Open relay output - see....
>
> taygeta[85]:~/x% host -a 1.111.15.203.outputs.orbs.org
> 1.111.15.203.outputs.orbs.org does not exist (Authoritative answer)
>
> taygeta[87]:~/x% host -a 1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org
> 1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org A 127.0.0.4
> 1.111.15.203.relays.orbs.org TXT "Telstra - spam haveners....
>
> The final two are for the IP that started this thread. It seems this is
> the behavior we want..
Please do this.
To give this context, black listing telstra is roughly equivalent to
black listing AT&T on the grounds that Tele-marketers use AT&T exchanges
to route their phone calls.
Andrew
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup " Ian Lance Taylor
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmailsetup " Gerald Pfeifer
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jim Kingdon
2000-07-28 11:11 ` Jim Kingdon
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
3 siblings, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jim Kingdon @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ian; +Cc: overseers
> I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org. The
No, outputs.orbs.org is different (as nearly as I could tell, I could
be wrong on that). As far as I know you need to look at the return
from the DNS lookup and see whether it is 127.0.0.2 or
127.0.0.4.
> ORBS web pages should have the actual information (I'm on the train as
> I write this, and for some reason Ricochet is still not selling their
> modems).
The Ricochet 2 rollout has been full of delays. I'm writing this on a
Ricochet 1 (which wouldn't work on the train for a variety of reasons)
and I can hardly wait. My office at VA has lots of bandwidth but it
is pretty much impossible to get work done there (much more hallway
conversation than at Cygnus; and I share an office with 6 other people
so I get the brunt of it).
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2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup " Jim Kingdon
@ 2000-07-28 11:11 ` Jim Kingdon
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
1 sibling, 0 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jim Kingdon @ 2000-07-28 11:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ian; +Cc: overseers
> I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org. The
No, outputs.orbs.org is different (as nearly as I could tell, I could
be wrong on that). As far as I know you need to look at the return
from the DNS lookup and see whether it is 127.0.0.2 or
127.0.0.4.
> ORBS web pages should have the actual information (I'm on the train as
> I write this, and for some reason Ricochet is still not selling their
> modems).
The Ricochet 2 rollout has been full of delays. I'm writing this on a
Ricochet 1 (which wouldn't work on the train for a variety of reasons)
and I can hardly wait. My office at VA has lots of bandwidth but it
is pretty much impossible to get work done there (much more hallway
conversation than at Cygnus; and I share an office with 6 other people
so I get the brunt of it).
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 34+ messages in thread
* Re: [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup problem for binutils list]
2000-12-30 6:08 ` [alan@SPRI.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au: [postmaster@sourceware] qmail setup " Jim Kingdon
2000-07-28 11:11 ` Jim Kingdon
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-07-28 12:46 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jim Kingdon
1 sibling, 2 replies; 34+ messages in thread
From: Ian Lance Taylor @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kingdon; +Cc: overseers
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:10:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Kingdon <kingdon@panix.com>
> I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org. The
No, outputs.orbs.org is different (as nearly as I could tell, I could
be wrong on that). As far as I know you need to look at the return
from the DNS lookup and see whether it is 127.0.0.2 or
127.0.0.4.
This has been discussed on the qmail list quite a bit there recently,
and I got the impression that running rblsmtpd on outputs.orbs.org was
the way to go.
According to
http://www.orbs.org/usingindex.html
outputs.orbs.org is ``inputs plus outputs, automated tester only,
returns 127.0.0.3.'' That is definitely confusing. But I think it
means ``they accept test mail, and they return test mail, using the
automated tester.'' Those are the hosts we want to block.
I just tested the open relay toad.com, and it is listed in
relays.orbs.org as 127.0.0.2 and in outputs.org.org as 127.0.0.3.
I've now expunged the mail with Alan's IP address; could somebody
please test that against outputs.orgs.org?
Ian
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2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
@ 2000-07-28 12:46 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jim Kingdon
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From: Ian Lance Taylor @ 2000-07-28 12:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: kingdon; +Cc: overseers
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:10:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Kingdon <kingdon@panix.com>
> I believe there is an RBL address you can use to only test for sites
> which have been shown to relay. I think it is output.orbs.org. The
No, outputs.orbs.org is different (as nearly as I could tell, I could
be wrong on that). As far as I know you need to look at the return
from the DNS lookup and see whether it is 127.0.0.2 or
127.0.0.4.
This has been discussed on the qmail list quite a bit there recently,
and I got the impression that running rblsmtpd on outputs.orbs.org was
the way to go.
According to
http://www.orbs.org/usingindex.html
outputs.orbs.org is ``inputs plus outputs, automated tester only,
returns 127.0.0.3.'' That is definitely confusing. But I think it
means ``they accept test mail, and they return test mail, using the
automated tester.'' Those are the hosts we want to block.
I just tested the open relay toad.com, and it is listed in
relays.orbs.org as 127.0.0.2 and in outputs.org.org as 127.0.0.3.
I've now expunged the mail with Alan's IP address; could somebody
please test that against outputs.orgs.org?
Ian
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2000-12-30 6:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2000-07-28 12:46 ` Ian Lance Taylor
@ 2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jim Kingdon
2000-07-28 14:31 ` Jim Kingdon
1 sibling, 1 reply; 34+ messages in thread
From: Jim Kingdon @ 2000-12-30 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ian; +Cc: overseers
> This has been discussed on the qmail list quite a bit there recently,
> and I got the impression that running rblsmtpd on outputs.orbs.org was
> the way to go.
Sounds like we can just s/relays/outputs/ then. I was basing my
comment on the confusing web page, and it seems like people have
tested it and found that outputs in fact is what we want.
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2000-12-30 6:08 ` Jim Kingdon
@ 2000-07-28 14:31 ` Jim Kingdon
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From: Jim Kingdon @ 2000-07-28 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ian; +Cc: overseers
> This has been discussed on the qmail list quite a bit there recently,
> and I got the impression that running rblsmtpd on outputs.orbs.org was
> the way to go.
Sounds like we can just s/relays/outputs/ then. I was basing my
comment on the confusing web page, and it seems like people have
tested it and found that outputs in fact is what we want.
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