Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

On Mon, 19 November 2001, law@redhat.com wrote:

> 
>   > - To stop the CVS archive for both writing and reading (so that the
>   >   users aren't confused by the presence of the old code).
> Done, I think.  It would be good if someone could verify that the gnats
> CVS tree on sources.redhat.com is unreadable/unwritable.

OK, I can't read it from here.

>   > - To close the bug database for both writing and reading.
> I'm not sure how to do this.  Hints anyone?

It think the best way is to comment out the database entry for `gnats' in your bug tracking system configuration.

>   >   to redirect the gnats-devel@ address to help-gnats@gnu.org.
> I believe this is in place too.  I just sent a test message via the
> gnats-devel@sources.redhat.com.  Can you please ack it once it gets to
> help-gnats@gnu.org?

It's there, thanks.

>   > - The web page (http://sources.redhat.com/gnats,
>   >   http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats) should either be redirected by the
>   >   web server to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats or it should be
>   >   replaced with a simple page just containing the link to
>   >   http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats -- please do whatever is easier for
>   >   you.
> I believe redirects have been the preferred solution.  I don't know how
> to set those up, so someone else will.

OK.

Thanks,

Milan Zamazal

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > >   > - To close the bug database for both writing and reading.
  > > I'm not sure how to do this.  Hints anyone?
  > 
  > It think the best way is to comment out the database entry for `gnats' in
  > your bug tracking system configuration.
OK.  I think I've found the right config file to disable gnats for the
gnats project :-)

  > > I believe redirects have been the preferred solution.  I don't know how
  > > to set those up, so someone else will.
  > 
  > OK.
Can someone give me a quick rundown of how to install a web redirect so that
I can take care of this final issue?

jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 law@redhat.com wrote:
> Can someone give me a quick rundown of how to install a web redirect
> so that I can take care of this final issue?

If you don't mind ;-), I will take care of this and then show you how
I did it, okay?

Milan, which pages do you want to have redirected to what addresses?
(It's best to provide this in the format "old URL -> new URL".)

Gerald
-- 
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Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

>>>>> "GP" == Gerald Pfeifer <pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

    GP> Milan, which pages do you want to have redirected to what
    GP> addresses?  (It's best to provide this in the format "old URL ->
    GP> new URL".)

http://sources.redhat.com/gnats -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats
http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats

(The two Red Hat URLs point to the same page there.)

Thanks.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
Why waste keystrokes when you can waste CPU cycles instead?
						Karl Fogel

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 law@redhat.com wrote:
  > > Can someone give me a quick rundown of how to install a web redirect
  > > so that I can take care of this final issue?
  > 
  > If you don't mind ;-), I will take care of this and then show you how
  > I did it, okay?
No problem.
jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On 20 Nov 2001, Milan Zamazal wrote:
> http://sources.redhat.com/gnats -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats
> http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats

I made this change, but redirected to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats/
(with a trailing slash) instead.


Jeff,

I did this by adding the line

   Redirect permanent  /gnats  http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats/

to the one <VirtualHost *> section in /www/conf/httpd.conf, which referred
to "ServerName sources.redhat.com" and invoking /etc/init.d/httpd restart.

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

On Mon, 19 November 2001, law@redhat.com wrote:

> 
>   > - To stop the CVS archive for both writing and reading (so that the
>   >   users aren't confused by the presence of the old code).
> Done, I think.  It would be good if someone could verify that the gnats
> CVS tree on sources.redhat.com is unreadable/unwritable.

OK, I can't read it from here.

>   > - To close the bug database for both writing and reading.
> I'm not sure how to do this.  Hints anyone?

It think the best way is to comment out the database entry for `gnats' in your bug tracking system configuration.

>   >   to redirect the gnats-devel@ address to help-gnats@gnu.org.
> I believe this is in place too.  I just sent a test message via the
> gnats-devel@sources.redhat.com.  Can you please ack it once it gets to
> help-gnats@gnu.org?

It's there, thanks.

>   > - The web page ( http://sources.redhat.com/gnats ,
>   >   http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats ) should either be redirected by the
>   >   web server to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats or it should be
>   >   replaced with a simple page just containing the link to
>   >   http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats -- please do whatever is easier for
>   >   you.
> I believe redirects have been the preferred solution.  I don't know how
> to set those up, so someone else will.

OK.

Thanks,

Milan Zamazal

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > >   > - To close the bug database for both writing and reading.
  > > I'm not sure how to do this.  Hints anyone?
  > 
  > It think the best way is to comment out the database entry for `gnats' in
  > your bug tracking system configuration.
OK.  I think I've found the right config file to disable gnats for the
gnats project :-)

  > > I believe redirects have been the preferred solution.  I don't know how
  > > to set those up, so someone else will.
  > 
  > OK.
Can someone give me a quick rundown of how to install a web redirect so that
I can take care of this final issue?

jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 law@redhat.com wrote:
> Can someone give me a quick rundown of how to install a web redirect
> so that I can take care of this final issue?

If you don't mind ;-), I will take care of this and then show you how
I did it, okay?

Milan, which pages do you want to have redirected to what addresses?
(It's best to provide this in the format "old URL -> new URL".)

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

>>>>> "GP" == Gerald Pfeifer <pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at> writes:

    GP> Milan, which pages do you want to have redirected to what
    GP> addresses?  (It's best to provide this in the format "old URL ->
    GP> new URL".)

http://sources.redhat.com/gnats -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats
http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats

(The two Red Hat URLs point to the same page there.)

Thanks.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
Why waste keystrokes when you can waste CPU cycles instead?
						Karl Fogel

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 law@redhat.com wrote:
  > > Can someone give me a quick rundown of how to install a web redirect
  > > so that I can take care of this final issue?
  > 
  > If you don't mind ;-), I will take care of this and then show you how
  > I did it, okay?
No problem.
jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On 20 Nov 2001, Milan Zamazal wrote:
> http://sources.redhat.com/gnats -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats
> http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats -> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats

I made this change, but redirected to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats/
(with a trailing slash) instead.


Jeff,

I did this by adding the line

   Redirect permanent  /gnats  http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats/

to the one <VirtualHost *> section in /www/conf/httpd.conf, which referred
to "ServerName sources.redhat.com" and invoking /etc/init.d/httpd restart.

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > - To stop the CVS archive for both writing and reading (so that the
  >   users aren't confused by the presence of the old code).
Done, I think.  It would be good if someone could verify that the gnats
CVS tree on sources.redhat.com is unreadable/unwritable.

  > - To close the bug database for both writing and reading.
I'm not sure how to do this.  Hints anyone?

  > - If it hasn't happened yet, to stop the mailing list subscriptions
Already stopped.

  >   to redirect the gnats-devel@ address to help-gnats@gnu.org.
I believe this is in place too.  I just sent a test message via the
gnats-devel@sources.redhat.com.  Can you please ack it once it gets to
help-gnats@gnu.org?

  > - The web page ( http://sources.redhat.com/gnats ,
  >   http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats ) should either be redirected by the
  >   web server to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats or it should be
  >   replaced with a simple page just containing the link to
  >   http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats -- please do whatever is easier for
  >   you.
I believe redirects have been the preferred solution.  I don't know how
to set those up, so someone else will.

  > That's all.  If possible, please don't delete any data for a few weeks,
  > for case anything bad happens (unlikely, but ...).
Understood.
jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

Jeffrey,

the transfer is complete now and all the GNATS related services can be
shut down on your site(s).  Could you please do the following:

- To stop the CVS archive for both writing and reading (so that the
  users aren't confused by the presence of the old code).

- To close the bug database for both writing and reading.

- If it hasn't happened yet, to stop the mailing list subscriptions and
  to redirect the gnats-devel@ address to help-gnats@gnu.org.

- The web page ( http://sources.redhat.com/gnats ,
  http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats ) should either be redirected by the
  web server to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats or it should be
  replaced with a simple page just containing the link to
  http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats -- please do whatever is easier for
  you.

That's all.  If possible, please don't delete any data for a few weeks,
for case anything bad happens (unlikely, but ...).

Thank you very much for your help.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

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Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

>>>>> "JAL" == Jeffrey A Law <law@redhat.com> writes:

    JAL> Done in a separate message.  I've also turned off the
    JAL> subscribe/unsubscribe mechanisms so the list subscription won't
    JAL> change.

Thanks.

    JAL> Let me know when you've got the new lists set up and I'll put
    JAL> in a forwarder (and remove all the subscribers from our side).

Done.  The only forwarder needed is

  gnats-devel@ -> help-gnats@gnu.org

Other lists are not publicly "writable".

    JAL> I'll assume that unless you tell me that you'll take care of
    JAL> sucking down the mail archives yourself.

Yes, nothing is needed from your side.

    JAL> Do you just want me to tar up the gnats bug database?

No, thanks.

    JAL> Oh well, I happen to be sleeping at 4am most days :-)

This was meant as our deadline for final commits etc. and that it was
safe to start the transfer any time *after* that moment.  I certainly
didn't intend to order you to an exact time. :-)

    JAL> Let me know when you want to turn off write access to the CVS
    JAL> tree...  Or when you want me to tar up the bug database and
    JAL> shut it down too.

OK, not yet, I'll let you know once the new set up is complete.

Thank you very much.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

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Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > >>>>> "JM" == Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com> writes:
  > 
  >     JM> FWIW the move doesn't have to happen down to the millisecond.
  >     JM> The mailing list subscription changes slowly - you could set up
  >     JM> the new list with the subscribers right now and then set up a
  >     JM> redirection at an appointed time.  You can tell the handful of
  >     JM> people with gnats cvs write access to not change anything.  Same
  >     JM> thing with the gnats bug database.
  > 
  > You're probably right.  Jeffrey, could you please send me the lists of
  > subscribers of all the lists as the first step?
Done in a separate message.  I've also turned off the subscribe/unsubscribe
mechanisms so the list subscription won't change.

Let me know when you've got the new lists set up and I'll put in a forwarder
(and remove all the subscribers from our side).

  >     JM> All of the mail archives are availble by rsync.  cf
  >     JM> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/overseers/2001-q4/msg00141.html
  > 
  >     JM> The mbox ones are in the ftp site; the mhonarc ones are detailed
  >     JM> in that note.
  > 
  > Thanks for the info.
I'll assume that unless you tell me that you'll take care of sucking down
the mail archives yourself.

  > 
  >     JM> "BTS" == Bug Tracking System.  I've never seen anyone but Milan
  >     JM> use that, so I'm guessing no one else on overseers will
  >     JM> understand.  ;-)
  > 
  > The bug tracking system is also used by Yngve and, believe or not :-),
  > users sometimes report bugs too.  So the users need to be stopped for a
  > while, there is no problem with moving the database itself.
Do you just want me to tar up the gnats bug database?

  >     JM> No wait, I bet this is one of those European 24-hour things
  >     JM> ("12:00" == noon),
  > 
  > Yes. :-)
  > 
  >     JM> so that'd be 4am PST Thursday?
  > 
  > I think so.  The idea is that the actions on sources.redhat.com can be
  > done during Thursday local time, if overseers are not too busy that day.
Oh well, I happen to be sleeping at 4am most days :-)  

Let me know when you want to turn off write access to the CVS tree...  Or
when you want me to tar up the bug database and shut it down too.
jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

>>>>> "JM" == Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com> writes:

    JM> FWIW the move doesn't have to happen down to the millisecond.
    JM> The mailing list subscription changes slowly - you could set up
    JM> the new list with the subscribers right now and then set up a
    JM> redirection at an appointed time.  You can tell the handful of
    JM> people with gnats cvs write access to not change anything.  Same
    JM> thing with the gnats bug database.

You're probably right.  Jeffrey, could you please send me the lists of
subscribers of all the lists as the first step?

    JM> All of the mail archives are availble by rsync.  cf
    JM> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/overseers/2001-q4/msg00141.html

    JM> The mbox ones are in the ftp site; the mhonarc ones are detailed
    JM> in that note.

Thanks for the info.

    JM> "BTS" == Bug Tracking System.  I've never seen anyone but Milan
    JM> use that, so I'm guessing no one else on overseers will
    JM> understand.  ;-)

The bug tracking system is also used by Yngve and, believe or not :-),
users sometimes report bugs too.  So the users need to be stopped for a
while, there is no problem with moving the database itself.

    JM> Note to person doing the move - I probably did something
    JM> reasonable for the guile list when that moved to gnu.org; you
    JM> might want to look at what I did to the config.  (it was a year
    JM> ago, I have no idea any longer.)

Thanks.

    JM> Ah, and leave all the web archives of the mailing lists in place
    JM> on sourceware for the forseeable future.  The search engines
    JM> will have pointers into them, and people looking for gnats stuff
    JM> should get directed to a sane place.

Good idea.

    JM> No wait, I bet this is one of those European 24-hour things
    JM> ("12:00" == noon),

Yes. :-)

    JM> so that'd be 4am PST Thursday?

I think so.  The idea is that the actions on sources.redhat.com can be
done during Thursday local time, if overseers are not too busy that day.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
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						Karl Fogel

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Jason Molenda]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:23:24PM -0800, Jason Molenda wrote:

> > So unless anyone objects, I'll announce the transfer to start on
> > Thursday, 12:00 GMT.  
> 
> (~4pm PST Wednesday I think?)

No wait, I bet this is one of those European 24-hour things ("12:00"
== noon), so that'd be 4am PST Thursday?

FWIW the move doesn't have to happen down to the millisecond.  The
mailing list subscription changes slowly - you could set up the
new list with the subscribers right now and then set up a redirection
at an appointed time.  You can tell the handful of people with
gnats cvs write access to not change anything.  Same thing with the
gnats bug database.

The Savannah mail archives are undoubtedly entirely different, so
you'll have to start a new archive from scratch over there.  You
can still refer to the ones on sourceware but they'll be only useful
as static content.

J

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Jason Molenda]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 11:16:16PM +0100, Milan Zamazal wrote:

> This is no big problem, they can just be put into a tar.gz archive
> somewhere and I'll convert them to the mbox format (I assume the
> archives are in some sort of text format).

All of the mail archives are availble by rsync.  cf
	http://sources.redhat.com/ml/overseers/2001-q4/msg00141.html

The mbox ones are in the ftp site; the mhonarc ones are detailed
in that note.

> So unless anyone objects, I'll announce the transfer to start on
> Thursday, 12:00 GMT.  

(~4pm PST Wednesday I think?)

> Could you please do the following things anytime
> after that moment:
> 
> - To shutdown the write access to CVS and BTS.

"BTS" == Bug Tracking System.  I've never seen anyone but Milan
use that, so I'm guessing no one else on overseers will understand.  ;-)

Note to person doing the move - I probably did something reasonable
for the guile list when that moved to gnu.org; you might want to look
at what I did to the config.  (it was a year ago, I have no idea any
longer.)

Ah, and leave all the web archives of the mailing lists in place
on sourceware for the forseeable future.  The search engines will
have pointers into them, and people looking for gnats stuff should
get directed to a sane place.

> 
> - To shutdown mailing list subscriptions.
> 
> - To redirect the mailing lists address gnats-devel@sources.redhat.com
>   to help-gnats@gnu.org.  I think the other list addresses needn't be
>   redirected since they're not publicly writable, they can be just
>   stopped.
> 
> - To put the mailing list archives somewhere where they can be fetched
>   easily.
> 
> - To send me the lists of mailing list subscribers for all the GNATS
>   mailing lists.
> 
> - To redirect http://sources.redhat.com/gnats to
>   http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats .
> 
> Please let me know when this is done.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Milan Zamazal
> 
> -- 
> And why?

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

>>>>> "JAL" == Jeffrey A Law <law@redhat.com> writes:

    JAL> The mbox archives should be easy to suck down.  The ones that
    JAL> will be more interesting will be those which don't have an mbox
    JAL> format available for download.  Those probably also pre-date
    JAL> our use of qmail, so I don't think we can just suck them out of
    JAL> the qmail archive.  I'm not sure what the best solution for
    JAL> those older archives will be.

This is no big problem, they can just be put into a tar.gz archive
somewhere and I'll convert them to the mbox format (I assume the
archives are in some sort of text format).

So unless anyone objects, I'll announce the transfer to start on
Thursday, 12:00 GMT.  Could you please do the following things anytime
after that moment:

- To shutdown the write access to CVS and BTS.

- To shutdown mailing list subscriptions.

- To redirect the mailing lists address gnats-devel@sources.redhat.com
  to help-gnats@gnu.org.  I think the other list addresses needn't be
  redirected since they're not publicly writable, they can be just
  stopped.

- To put the mailing list archives somewhere where they can be fetched
  easily.

- To send me the lists of mailing list subscribers for all the GNATS
  mailing lists.

- To redirect http://sources.redhat.com/gnats to
  http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats .

Please let me know when this is done.

Thank you.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
And why?

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > - To stop at a given time the write access to GNATS CVS and BTS and to
  >   disable the mailing lists.  The CVSROOT and BTS database archives
  >   should remain accessible via rsync as they're now so that we can move
  >   them to the GNU site.  Is there some way to get easily the mailing
  >   lists archives as well?
It should be pretty easy to shut down write access to the GNATS CVS tree,
but leave rsync read access in place so that you can download the bits to
the GNU site.

The mbox archives should be easy to suck down.  The ones that will be more
interesting will be those which don't have an mbox format available for
download.  Those probably also pre-date our use of qmail, so I don't think
we can just suck them out of the qmail archive.  I'm not sure what the best
solution for those older archives will be.

  > 
  > - One special thing needed is to get the list of subscribers of the
  >   GNATS mailing lists so that we can subscribe them to the newly
  >   established mailing lists.
That's easy for us to get to you.  Let us know when and we'll send you
the subscriber list and shut down new subscriptions.


  > - It would be nice if the old mailing list addresses could be forwarded
  >   to the new lists and http://sources.redhat.com/gnats could be
  >   redirected to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats for some time, if
  >   possible.
That should be relatively easy.

jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > - To stop the CVS archive for both writing and reading (so that the
  >   users aren't confused by the presence of the old code).
Done, I think.  It would be good if someone could verify that the gnats
CVS tree on sources.redhat.com is unreadable/unwritable.

  > - To close the bug database for both writing and reading.
I'm not sure how to do this.  Hints anyone?

  > - If it hasn't happened yet, to stop the mailing list subscriptions
Already stopped.

  >   to redirect the gnats-devel@ address to help-gnats@gnu.org.
I believe this is in place too.  I just sent a test message via the
gnats-devel@sources.redhat.com.  Can you please ack it once it gets to
help-gnats@gnu.org?

  > - The web page (http://sources.redhat.com/gnats,
  >   http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats) should either be redirected by the
  >   web server to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats or it should be
  >   replaced with a simple page just containing the link to
  >   http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats -- please do whatever is easier for
  >   you.
I believe redirects have been the preferred solution.  I don't know how
to set those up, so someone else will.

  > That's all.  If possible, please don't delete any data for a few weeks,
  > for case anything bad happens (unlikely, but ...).
Understood.
jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

Jeffrey,

the transfer is complete now and all the GNATS related services can be
shut down on your site(s).  Could you please do the following:

- To stop the CVS archive for both writing and reading (so that the
  users aren't confused by the presence of the old code).

- To close the bug database for both writing and reading.

- If it hasn't happened yet, to stop the mailing list subscriptions and
  to redirect the gnats-devel@ address to help-gnats@gnu.org.

- The web page (http://sources.redhat.com/gnats,
  http://sourceware.cygnus.com/gnats) should either be redirected by the
  web server to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats or it should be
  replaced with a simple page just containing the link to
  http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats -- please do whatever is easier for
  you.

That's all.  If possible, please don't delete any data for a few weeks,
for case anything bad happens (unlikely, but ...).

Thank you very much for your help.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

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-<_|_|_|_><--  -<_|_|_|_><--  -<_|_|_|_><--  -<_|_|_|_><--   *Bugs* are
   / \ /   o      \ / \   o      / \ /   o      \ / \   o     approaching!

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

>>>>> "JAL" == Jeffrey A Law <law@redhat.com> writes:

    JAL> Done in a separate message.  I've also turned off the
    JAL> subscribe/unsubscribe mechanisms so the list subscription won't
    JAL> change.

Thanks.

    JAL> Let me know when you've got the new lists set up and I'll put
    JAL> in a forwarder (and remove all the subscribers from our side).

Done.  The only forwarder needed is

  gnats-devel@ -> help-gnats@gnu.org

Other lists are not publicly "writable".

    JAL> I'll assume that unless you tell me that you'll take care of
    JAL> sucking down the mail archives yourself.

Yes, nothing is needed from your side.

    JAL> Do you just want me to tar up the gnats bug database?

No, thanks.

    JAL> Oh well, I happen to be sleeping at 4am most days :-)

This was meant as our deadline for final commits etc. and that it was
safe to start the transfer any time *after* that moment.  I certainly
didn't intend to order you to an exact time. :-)

    JAL> Let me know when you want to turn off write access to the CVS
    JAL> tree...  Or when you want me to tar up the bug database and
    JAL> shut it down too.

OK, not yet, I'll let you know once the new set up is complete.

Thank you very much.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
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                                               -- Kent Pitman in comp.lang.lisp

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > >>>>> "JM" == Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com> writes:
  > 
  >     JM> FWIW the move doesn't have to happen down to the millisecond.
  >     JM> The mailing list subscription changes slowly - you could set up
  >     JM> the new list with the subscribers right now and then set up a
  >     JM> redirection at an appointed time.  You can tell the handful of
  >     JM> people with gnats cvs write access to not change anything.  Same
  >     JM> thing with the gnats bug database.
  > 
  > You're probably right.  Jeffrey, could you please send me the lists of
  > subscribers of all the lists as the first step?
Done in a separate message.  I've also turned off the subscribe/unsubscribe
mechanisms so the list subscription won't change.

Let me know when you've got the new lists set up and I'll put in a forwarder
(and remove all the subscribers from our side).

  >     JM> All of the mail archives are availble by rsync.  cf
  >     JM> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/overseers/2001-q4/msg00141.html
  > 
  >     JM> The mbox ones are in the ftp site; the mhonarc ones are detailed
  >     JM> in that note.
  > 
  > Thanks for the info.
I'll assume that unless you tell me that you'll take care of sucking down
the mail archives yourself.

  > 
  >     JM> "BTS" == Bug Tracking System.  I've never seen anyone but Milan
  >     JM> use that, so I'm guessing no one else on overseers will
  >     JM> understand.  ;-)
  > 
  > The bug tracking system is also used by Yngve and, believe or not :-),
  > users sometimes report bugs too.  So the users need to be stopped for a
  > while, there is no problem with moving the database itself.
Do you just want me to tar up the gnats bug database?

  >     JM> No wait, I bet this is one of those European 24-hour things
  >     JM> ("12:00" == noon),
  > 
  > Yes. :-)
  > 
  >     JM> so that'd be 4am PST Thursday?
  > 
  > I think so.  The idea is that the actions on sources.redhat.com can be
  > done during Thursday local time, if overseers are not too busy that day.
Oh well, I happen to be sleeping at 4am most days :-)  

Let me know when you want to turn off write access to the CVS tree...  Or
when you want me to tar up the bug database and shut it down too.
jeff

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

>>>>> "JM" == Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com> writes:

    JM> FWIW the move doesn't have to happen down to the millisecond.
    JM> The mailing list subscription changes slowly - you could set up
    JM> the new list with the subscribers right now and then set up a
    JM> redirection at an appointed time.  You can tell the handful of
    JM> people with gnats cvs write access to not change anything.  Same
    JM> thing with the gnats bug database.

You're probably right.  Jeffrey, could you please send me the lists of
subscribers of all the lists as the first step?

    JM> All of the mail archives are availble by rsync.  cf
    JM> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/overseers/2001-q4/msg00141.html

    JM> The mbox ones are in the ftp site; the mhonarc ones are detailed
    JM> in that note.

Thanks for the info.

    JM> "BTS" == Bug Tracking System.  I've never seen anyone but Milan
    JM> use that, so I'm guessing no one else on overseers will
    JM> understand.  ;-)

The bug tracking system is also used by Yngve and, believe or not :-),
users sometimes report bugs too.  So the users need to be stopped for a
while, there is no problem with moving the database itself.

    JM> Note to person doing the move - I probably did something
    JM> reasonable for the guile list when that moved to gnu.org; you
    JM> might want to look at what I did to the config.  (it was a year
    JM> ago, I have no idea any longer.)

Thanks.

    JM> Ah, and leave all the web archives of the mailing lists in place
    JM> on sourceware for the forseeable future.  The search engines
    JM> will have pointers into them, and people looking for gnats stuff
    JM> should get directed to a sane place.

Good idea.

    JM> No wait, I bet this is one of those European 24-hour things
    JM> ("12:00" == noon),

Yes. :-)

    JM> so that'd be 4am PST Thursday?

I think so.  The idea is that the actions on sources.redhat.com can be
done during Thursday local time, if overseers are not too busy that day.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
Why waste keystrokes when you can waste CPU cycles instead?
						Karl Fogel

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Jason Molenda]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:23:24PM -0800, Jason Molenda wrote:

> > So unless anyone objects, I'll announce the transfer to start on
> > Thursday, 12:00 GMT.  
> 
> (~4pm PST Wednesday I think?)

No wait, I bet this is one of those European 24-hour things ("12:00"
== noon), so that'd be 4am PST Thursday?

FWIW the move doesn't have to happen down to the millisecond.  The
mailing list subscription changes slowly - you could set up the
new list with the subscribers right now and then set up a redirection
at an appointed time.  You can tell the handful of people with
gnats cvs write access to not change anything.  Same thing with the
gnats bug database.

The Savannah mail archives are undoubtedly entirely different, so
you'll have to start a new archive from scratch over there.  You
can still refer to the ones on sourceware but they'll be only useful
as static content.

J

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Jason Molenda]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 11:16:16PM +0100, Milan Zamazal wrote:

> This is no big problem, they can just be put into a tar.gz archive
> somewhere and I'll convert them to the mbox format (I assume the
> archives are in some sort of text format).

All of the mail archives are availble by rsync.  cf
	http://sources.redhat.com/ml/overseers/2001-q4/msg00141.html

The mbox ones are in the ftp site; the mhonarc ones are detailed
in that note.

> So unless anyone objects, I'll announce the transfer to start on
> Thursday, 12:00 GMT.  

(~4pm PST Wednesday I think?)

> Could you please do the following things anytime
> after that moment:
> 
> - To shutdown the write access to CVS and BTS.

"BTS" == Bug Tracking System.  I've never seen anyone but Milan
use that, so I'm guessing no one else on overseers will understand.  ;-)

Note to person doing the move - I probably did something reasonable
for the guile list when that moved to gnu.org; you might want to look
at what I did to the config.  (it was a year ago, I have no idea any
longer.)

Ah, and leave all the web archives of the mailing lists in place
on sourceware for the forseeable future.  The search engines will
have pointers into them, and people looking for gnats stuff should
get directed to a sane place.

> 
> - To shutdown mailing list subscriptions.
> 
> - To redirect the mailing lists address gnats-devel@sources.redhat.com
>   to help-gnats@gnu.org.  I think the other list addresses needn't be
>   redirected since they're not publicly writable, they can be just
>   stopped.
> 
> - To put the mailing list archives somewhere where they can be fetched
>   easily.
> 
> - To send me the lists of mailing list subscribers for all the GNATS
>   mailing lists.
> 
> - To redirect http://sources.redhat.com/gnats to
>   http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats.
> 
> Please let me know when this is done.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Milan Zamazal
> 
> -- 
> And why?

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

>>>>> "JAL" == Jeffrey A Law <law@redhat.com> writes:

    JAL> The mbox archives should be easy to suck down.  The ones that
    JAL> will be more interesting will be those which don't have an mbox
    JAL> format available for download.  Those probably also pre-date
    JAL> our use of qmail, so I don't think we can just suck them out of
    JAL> the qmail archive.  I'm not sure what the best solution for
    JAL> those older archives will be.

This is no big problem, they can just be put into a tar.gz archive
somewhere and I'll convert them to the mbox format (I assume the
archives are in some sort of text format).

So unless anyone objects, I'll announce the transfer to start on
Thursday, 12:00 GMT.  Could you please do the following things anytime
after that moment:

- To shutdown the write access to CVS and BTS.

- To shutdown mailing list subscriptions.

- To redirect the mailing lists address gnats-devel@sources.redhat.com
  to help-gnats@gnu.org.  I think the other list addresses needn't be
  redirected since they're not publicly writable, they can be just
  stopped.

- To put the mailing list archives somewhere where they can be fetched
  easily.

- To send me the lists of mailing list subscribers for all the GNATS
  mailing lists.

- To redirect http://sources.redhat.com/gnats to
  http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats.

Please let me know when this is done.

Thank you.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
And why?

Re: Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[law]

  > - To stop at a given time the write access to GNATS CVS and BTS and to
  >   disable the mailing lists.  The CVSROOT and BTS database archives
  >   should remain accessible via rsync as they're now so that we can move
  >   them to the GNU site.  Is there some way to get easily the mailing
  >   lists archives as well?
It should be pretty easy to shut down write access to the GNATS CVS tree,
but leave rsync read access in place so that you can download the bits to
the GNU site.

The mbox archives should be easy to suck down.  The ones that will be more
interesting will be those which don't have an mbox format available for
download.  Those probably also pre-date our use of qmail, so I don't think
we can just suck them out of the qmail archive.  I'm not sure what the best
solution for those older archives will be.

  > 
  > - One special thing needed is to get the list of subscribers of the
  >   GNATS mailing lists so that we can subscribe them to the newly
  >   established mailing lists.
That's easy for us to get to you.  Let us know when and we'll send you
the subscriber list and shut down new subscriptions.


  > - It would be nice if the old mailing list addresses could be forwarded
  >   to the new lists and http://sources.redhat.com/gnats could be
  >   redirected to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats for some time, if
  >   possible.
That should be relatively easy.

jeff

Moving GNATS development to the GNU site

[Milan Zamazal]

Dear overseers,

I'd like to move the GNATS development infrastructure, currently hosted
on sources.redhat.com, to the GNU development site (savannah.gnu.org).
There is nothing wrong with your excellent services (the recent CVS
problem was the only exception for the whole year I maintain GNATS),
this is just because GNU has built up its own centralized development
site now.  I'd like to thank you for your GNATS support on
sources.redhat.com.

To perform the transfer smoothly, I'd like to ask you for a special
assistance for the last time.  We need to move the CVS archive, bug
tracking database, mailing lists, FTP, and web pages.  What we need is:

- To stop at a given time the write access to GNATS CVS and BTS and to
  disable the mailing lists.  The CVSROOT and BTS database archives
  should remain accessible via rsync as they're now so that we can move
  them to the GNU site.  Is there some way to get easily the mailing
  lists archives as well?

- One special thing needed is to get the list of subscribers of the
  GNATS mailing lists so that we can subscribe them to the newly
  established mailing lists.

- It would be nice if the old mailing list addresses could be forwarded
  to the new lists and http://sources.redhat.com/gnats could be
  redirected to http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats for some time, if
  possible.

- Nothing needs to be done with FTP.

Could you please tell me if you can see any problem with this and when
this action could be done (please not immediately, I must announce the
date on GNATS mailing lists first)?

Thank you very much.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal

-- 
And why?