Is this thing on?

Is this thing on?

[Christopher Faylor]

sourceware.org/sources.redhat.com/gcc.gnu.org/cygwin.com has been live
for a couple of hours.  It seems to be working ok, although I need to
make a few tweaks to apache.

How does it look?

I'm a little disappointed by the disk space situation.  We grew a lot
faster than I anticipated N months ago.  And, I used 4k blocks so some
partitions, most notably /sourceware/www end up using noticeably more
space.  There is more disk space to be added, if necessary.

Please send any problems here so that they can be archived.  I belatedly
started keeping track of everything that occurred to me which needed to
be done for this switch and will be posting it eventually for the delight
and amazement of future generations.

cgf

Re: Is this thing on?

[Phil Edwards]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 07:58:25PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> sourceware.org/sources.redhat.com/gcc.gnu.org/cygwin.com has been live
> for a couple of hours.  It seems to be working ok, although I need to
> make a few tweaks to apache.
> 
> How does it look?

Excellent so far.


> Please send any problems here so that they can be archived.

Just one so far:  I no longer have shell access.  "Permission denied." is
all it prints.


> I belatedly
> started keeping track of everything that occurred to me which needed to
> be done for this switch and will be posting it eventually for the delight
> and amazement of future generations.

Thanks very much.  We all owe you $BEVERAGE.

Phil

-- 
I would therefore like to posit that computing's central challenge, viz. "How
not to make a mess of it," has /not/ been met.
                                                 - Edsger Dijkstra, 1930-2002

Re: Is this thing on?

[Phil Edwards]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:17:51PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
> 
> Just one so far:  I no longer have shell access.  "Permission denied." is
> all it prints.

No SSH access at all, actually.  Doing a cvs update prints the same error.

Possibly an old key...?  Not sure what to look at in 'ss -v' mode.


Phil

-- 
I would therefore like to posit that computing's central challenge, viz. "How
not to make a mess of it," has /not/ been met.
                                                 - Edsger Dijkstra, 1930-2002

Re: Is this thing on?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:26:19PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:17:51PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
>> 
>> Just one so far:  I no longer have shell access.  "Permission denied." is
>> all it prints.
>
>No SSH access at all, actually.  Doing a cvs update prints the same error.
>
>Possibly an old key...?  Not sure what to look at in 'ss -v' mode.

You sure you're specifying 'Protocol 1' when you connect?

cgf

Re: Is this thing on?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:17:51PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 07:58:25PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> sourceware.org/sources.redhat.com/gcc.gnu.org/cygwin.com has been live
>> for a couple of hours.  It seems to be working ok, although I need to
>> make a few tweaks to apache.
>> 
>> How does it look?
>
>Excellent so far.
>
>
>> Please send any problems here so that they can be archived.
>
>Just one so far:  I no longer have shell access.  "Permission denied." is
>all it prints.

You sure you're accessing the new IP address?  I don't see any attempts
from jaj.com to access the new system.  The old system is not available
any longer.

cgf

Re: Is this thing on?

[Phil Edwards]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:35:32PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >Just one so far:  I no longer have shell access.  "Permission denied." is
> >all it prints.
> 
> You sure you're accessing the new IP address?  I don't see any attempts
> from jaj.com to access the new system.  The old system is not available
> any longer.

DNS gives me 209.249.29.67.  Is that the new one or the old one?

-- 
I would therefore like to posit that computing's central challenge, viz. "How
not to make a mess of it," has /not/ been met.
                                                 - Edsger Dijkstra, 1930-2002

Re: Is this thing on?

[Phil Edwards]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:33:57PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:26:19PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
> >On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:17:51PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
> >> 
> >> Just one so far:  I no longer have shell access.  "Permission denied." is
> >> all it prints.
> >
> >No SSH access at all, actually.  Doing a cvs update prints the same error.
> >
> >Possibly an old key...?  Not sure what to look at in 'ss -v' mode.
> 
> You sure you're specifying 'Protocol 1' when you connect?

Yep.  Here's the entry from the config file:

    Host gcc.gnu.org
      ForwardX11 no
      ForwardAgent no
      Protocol 1
      User pme

Phil

-- 
I would therefore like to posit that computing's central challenge, viz. "How
not to make a mess of it," has /not/ been met.
                                                 - Edsger Dijkstra, 1930-2002

Re: Is this thing on?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:36:35PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:35:32PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> >Just one so far:  I no longer have shell access.  "Permission denied." is
>> >all it prints.
>> 
>> You sure you're accessing the new IP address?  I don't see any attempts
>> from jaj.com to access the new system.  The old system is not available
>> any longer.
>
>DNS gives me 209.249.29.67.  Is that the new one or the old one?

Old one.  The new one is 66.187.233.205.

It seems like some name servers aren't honoring the ttl field.

cgf

Re: Is this thing on?

[Phil Edwards]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:36:35PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:35:32PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> > >Just one so far:  I no longer have shell access.  "Permission denied." is
> > >all it prints.
> > 
> > You sure you're accessing the new IP address?  I don't see any attempts
> > from jaj.com to access the new system.  The old system is not available
> > any longer.
> 
> DNS gives me 209.249.29.67.  Is that the new one or the old one?

That must be the old one.  I'll try some more.

-- 
I would therefore like to posit that computing's central challenge, viz. "How
not to make a mess of it," has /not/ been met.
                                                 - Edsger Dijkstra, 1930-2002

Re: Is this thing on?

[Jason Molenda]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:41:27PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> 
> It seems like some name servers aren't honoring the ttl field.
> 

FWIW the pacbell.net name servers have the new name.

Re: Is this thing on?

[Hans-Peter Nilsson]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> How does it look?

I get a notification that the host key has changed
(OpenSSH_3.4p1 here, v2 key used), also for
sourceware.redhat.com (sic) compared to before the downtime, but
things seem to work.

No ~htdigid/sourceware/db or ~htdigid/gcc/db, but I fixed that
and started reindex for ~htdigid/sourceware/db contents.  I also
enabled the crontab entries, so gcc will automatically start
re-index at 08:17 UTC.

brgds, H-P

Re: Is this thing on?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 05:53:52PM -0800, Jason Molenda wrote:
>On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 08:41:27PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>It seems like some name servers aren't honoring the ttl field.
>
>FWIW the pacbell.net name servers have the new name.

I can't say the same for attbi.net, at least last I checked.  I had to
reconfigure my system a little just to use the new system.

cgf

Re: Is this thing on?

[Hans-Peter Nilsson]

On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> sourceware.org/sources.redhat.com/gcc.gnu.org/cygwin.com has been live
> for a couple of hours.  It seems to be working ok, although I need to
> make a few tweaks to apache.
>
> How does it look?

Um, how about gcc.gnu.org?  Did anyone with the proper (i.e.
any) contacts inform the gnu.org people?  gcc.gnu.org points to
the old address here, but sources.redhat.com points to the new
address.  Maybe my DNS ignorance is showing and this is just a
temporary DNS problemm.

Another thing: sources.redhat.com can't http with itself (as
sources.redhat.com, 66.187.233.205).  It can't reach that
address at all: no RST, just silence.  This affects htdig
indexing, at least timeouts when encountering invalid URLs,
possibly valid pseudo-static URLs.  Should it translate to
another address or name locally now?

brgds, H-P

Re: Is this thing on?

[Andrew Cagney]

> On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> 
>> sourceware.org/sources.redhat.com/gcc.gnu.org/cygwin.com has been live
>> for a couple of hours.  It seems to be working ok, although I need to
>> make a few tweaks to apache.
>>
>> How does it look?
> 
> 
> Um, how about gcc.gnu.org?  Did anyone with the proper (i.e.
> any) contacts inform the gnu.org people?  gcc.gnu.org points to
> the old address here, but sources.redhat.com points to the new
> address.  Maybe my DNS ignorance is showing and this is just a
> temporary DNS problemm.

Yes, chris arranged things with gnu.org people (I suspect that 
determined the timing on this).  Since I'm seeing the correct 
(identical) IP address for both names, I'd assume your DNS.

Andrew


I see

> Another thing: sources.redhat.com can't http with itself (as
> sources.redhat.com, 66.187.233.205).  It can't reach that
> address at all: no RST, just silence.  This affects htdig
> indexing, at least timeouts when encountering invalid URLs,
> possibly valid pseudo-static URLs.  Should it translate to
> another address or name locally now?
> 
> brgds, H-P
> 
> 

Re: Is this thing on?

[Jason Molenda]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 10:06:58PM -0500, Andrew Cagney wrote:

> 
> Yes, chris arranged things with gnu.org people (I suspect that 
> determined the timing on this).  Since I'm seeing the correct 
> (identical) IP address for both names, I'd assume your DNS.

It looks fine now from pacbell.net.  I checked it when H-P's note
came across and saw this:

jason@little-green-moose coolo-cvs]$ telnet gcc.gnu.org 80
Trying 209.249.29.67...
telnet: connect to address 209.249.29.67: Connection refused

(5 minute delay)

[jason@little-green-moose coolo-cvs]$ telnet gcc.gnu.org 80
Trying 66.187.233.205...
Connected to gcc.gnu.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
]^]
telnet> close
Connection closed.
[jason@little-green-moose coolo-cvs]$


I'm guessing it's percolating across the net as we write these notes.

J

Re: Is this thing on?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 09:46:03PM -0500, Hans-Peter Nilsson wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Jan 2003, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>>sourceware.org/sources.redhat.com/gcc.gnu.org/cygwin.com has been live
>>for a couple of hours.  It seems to be working ok, although I need to
>>make a few tweaks to apache.
>>
>>How does it look?
>
>Um, how about gcc.gnu.org?

The gcc.gnu.org domain was switched when sources.redhat.com was
switched.

  % dig gnu.org ns 

  ;; ANSWER SECTION:
  gnu.org.                81108   IN      NS      ns2.gnu.org.
  gnu.org.                81108   IN      NS      ns2.cent.net.
  gnu.org.                81108   IN      NS      ns3.gnu.org.
  gnu.org.                81108   IN      NS      nic.cent.net.
  gnu.org.                81108   IN      NS      ns1.gnu.org.

  ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
  nic.cent.net.           167508  IN      A       140.186.1.4
  ns2.cent.net.           167508  IN      A       140.186.1.14

  % host gcc.gnu.org nic.cent.net.
  Using domain server:
  Name: nic.cent.net.
  Address: 140.186.1.4#53
  Aliases: 

  gcc.gnu.org has address 66.187.233.205


>Another thing: sources.redhat.com can't http with itself (as
>sources.redhat.com, 66.187.233.205).  It can't reach that address at
>all: no RST, just silence.  This affects htdig indexing, at least
>timeouts when encountering invalid URLs, possibly valid pseudo-static
>URLs.  Should it translate to another address or name locally now?

The Red Hat firewall apparently sets up an internal and external
IP address for the box.  The internal address is 172.16.49.205.
I am not exactly sure why things were done that way but I know
that most of the other Red Hat boxes which are externally facing
have similar setups.

I set up some internal aliases for gcc.gnu.org and sources.redhat.com
which point to the 172.16.49.205 IP address.

cgf

Re: Is this thing on?

[Joseph S. Myers]

As noted by someone in passing on the gcc list
<http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2003-01/msg00875.html>: gnatsweb says "Error:
Could not resolve database alias (gcc).".

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
jsm28@cam.ac.uk

Re: Is this thing on?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 11:45:16AM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
>As noted by someone in passing on the gcc list
><http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2003-01/msg00875.html>: gnatsweb says "Error:
>Could not resolve database alias (gcc).".

This should be fixed now.

cgf