gcc maintainer available? [dkegel: [postmaster] Mistaken post removal request]

gcc maintainer available? [dkegel: [postmaster] Mistaken post removal request]

[Christopher Faylor]

This is becoming a more common occurrence.

I don't see any words on the gcc web page which talk about the fact that we
don't modify the archives (or only modify them for a fee).

Can we add something similar to http://sourceware.org/ml/ somewhere in the
gcc mailing list page?

cgf


----- Forwarded message from Daniel Kegel <dkegel@google.com> -----

From: Daniel Kegel <dkegel>
To: gcc-owner
Subject: [postmaster] Mistaken post removal request
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:27:04 -0700

Hi,

I hate to ask this, but:

Can the messages
 http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2004-07/msg00675.html
 http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2004-07/msg00680.html
be removed from the mailing list archive?
They were posted by mistake, and exposed several private
email addresses, one of whose owners is somewhat upset by the leakage.

Failing that, can the From:, To:, and CC: fields of those
messages be more harshly obscured?

Thanks,
Dan

----- End forwarded message -----

Re: gcc maintainer available? [dkegel: [postmaster] Mistaken post removal request]

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> I don't see any words on the gcc web page which talk about the fact that
> we don't modify the archives (or only modify them for a fee).
>
> Can we add something similar to http://sourceware.org/ml/ somewhere in the
> gcc mailing list page?

How about the following, which will change the footer of every single
of the regular GCC web pages?

(That really should be most clear for even the most ignorant, and I'm
a bit leary about mentioning fees on the FSF web site which mirrors
gcc.gnu.org for obvious reasons.)

I haven't installed this yet, waiting for your feedback...

Gerald

Index: style.mhtml
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/style.mhtml,v
retrieving revision 1.66
diff -u -3 -p -r1.66 style.mhtml
--- style.mhtml	5 Oct 2003 02:59:21 -0000	1.66
+++ style.mhtml	20 Jul 2004 20:51:59 -0000
@@ -287,7 +287,8 @@ that fails, the <a href="mailto:gcc-help
 mailing list might help.<br />
 Please send comments on these web pages and the development of GCC to our
 public developer mailing list at <a href="mailto:gcc@gnu.org">gcc@gnu.org</a>
-or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.
+or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.  (All of our lists
+are archived on the web.)
 </address>

 <p>Copyright (C) Free Software Foundation, Inc.,

Re: gcc maintainer available? [dkegel: [postmaster] Mistaken post removal request]

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:55:42PM +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
>On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> I don't see any words on the gcc web page which talk about the fact that
>> we don't modify the archives (or only modify them for a fee).
>>
>> Can we add something similar to http://sourceware.org/ml/ somewhere in the
>> gcc mailing list page?
>
>How about the following, which will change the footer of every single
>of the regular GCC web pages?
>
>(That really should be most clear for even the most ignorant, and I'm
>a bit leary about mentioning fees on the FSF web site which mirrors
>gcc.gnu.org for obvious reasons.)

I wonder if the most ignorant know what "archived" means.  We certainly
don't want to write a book, though, or no one will read it.

I'm not extremely comfortable with the concept of a fee except as an
additional deterrent to people asking to have stuff changed.

>I haven't installed this yet, waiting for your feedback...

Can you say something along the lines that site policy is to not edit
the archives, too?

cgf

>Gerald
>
>Index: style.mhtml
>===================================================================
>RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/style.mhtml,v
>retrieving revision 1.66
>diff -u -3 -p -r1.66 style.mhtml
>--- style.mhtml	5 Oct 2003 02:59:21 -0000	1.66
>+++ style.mhtml	20 Jul 2004 20:51:59 -0000
>@@ -287,7 +287,8 @@ that fails, the <a href="mailto:gcc-help
> mailing list might help.<br />
> Please send comments on these web pages and the development of GCC to our
> public developer mailing list at <a href="mailto:gcc@gnu.org">gcc@gnu.org</a>
>-or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.
>+or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.  (All of our lists
>+are archived on the web.)
> </address>
>
> <p>Copyright (C) Free Software Foundation, Inc.,

Re: gcc maintainer available? [dkegel: [postmaster] Mistaken post removal request]

[Jason Molenda]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:26:04PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> >+or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.  (All of our lists
> >+are archived on the web.)

> I wonder if the most ignorant know what "archived" means.  We certainly
> don't want to write a book, though, or no one will read it.


How about, "All of our e-mail archives are scanned by spam e-mail
harvester bots; post and be harvested.  You've been warned."

J

Re: gcc maintainer available? [dkegel: [postmaster] Mistaken post removal request]

[Matthew Galgoci]

> On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:26:04PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> > >+or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.  (All of our lists
> > >+are archived on the web.)
> 
> > I wonder if the most ignorant know what "archived" means.  We certainly
> > don't want to write a book, though, or no one will read it.
> 
> 
> How about, "All of our e-mail archives are scanned by spam e-mail
> harvester bots; post and be harvested.  You've been warned."

You left out "...on a regular basis."

-- 
Matthew Galgoci
System Administrator and Sr. Manager of Ruminants
Red Hat, Inc
919.754.3700 x44155

Re: gcc maintainer available? [dkegel: [postmaster] Mistaken post removal request]

[Christopher Faylor]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 02:29:56PM -0700, Jason Molenda wrote:
>On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:26:04PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>
>> >+or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.  (All of our lists
>> >+are archived on the web.)
>
>> I wonder if the most ignorant know what "archived" means.  We certainly
>> don't want to write a book, though, or no one will read it.
>
>
>How about, "All of our e-mail archives are scanned by spam e-mail
>harvester bots; post and be harvested.  You've been warned."

Maybe "All your email are belong to us" would be sufficient.

cgf

Re: gcc maintainer available?

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> I wonder if the most ignorant know what "archived" means.  We certainly 
> don't want to write a book, though, or no one will read it.

Agreed.

> Can you say something along the lines that site policy is to not edit
> the archives, too?

Okay, will do.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Jason Molenda wrote:
> How about, "All of our e-mail archives are scanned by spam e-mail
> harvester bots; post and be harvested.  You've been warned."

You are a bit extreme, aren't you. ;-)

Below is the patch I just committed.  Hope that's fine.

Gerald

Index: style.mhtml
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/style.mhtml,v
retrieving revision 1.66
diff -u -3 -p -r1.66 style.mhtml
--- style.mhtml	5 Oct 2003 02:59:21 -0000	1.66
+++ style.mhtml	6 Aug 2004 07:56:45 -0000
@@ -286,8 +286,9 @@ pages and the <a href="http://gcc.gnu.or
  that fails, the <a href="mailto:gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org">gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org</a>
  mailing list might help.<br />
  Please send comments on these web pages and the development of GCC to our
-public developer mailing list at <a href="mailto:gcc@gnu.org">gcc@gnu.org</a>
-or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.
+developer mailing list at <a href="mailto:gcc@gnu.org">gcc@gnu.org</a>
+or <a href="mailto:gcc@gcc.gnu.org">gcc@gcc.gnu.org</a>.  All of our lists
+have <a href="http://gcc.gnu.org/lists.html">public archives</a>.
  </address>

  <p>Copyright (C) Free Software Foundation, Inc.,
Index: lists.html
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvs/gcc/wwwdocs/htdocs/lists.html,v
retrieving revision 1.91
retrieving revision 1.92
diff -u -3 -p -r1.91 -r1.92
--- lists.html	27 Jun 2004 17:29:39 -0000	1.91
+++ lists.html	6 Aug 2004 08:03:48 -0000	1.92
@@ -141,6 +141,8 @@ allows for a larger maximum message size
  this size, you should compress any attachments before sending it to the list.
  </p>

+<p>We have a strong policy of not editing the web archives.</p>
+
  <p>When posting messages, please select an appropriate list for the message
  and try to avoid cross posting a message to several lists.</p>

Re: gcc maintainer available?

[Jason Molenda]

On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 10:04:50AM +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Jason Molenda wrote:
> > How about, "All of our e-mail archives are scanned by spam e-mail
> > harvester bots; post and be harvested.  You've been warned."
> 
> You are a bit extreme, aren't you. ;-)

I was only half joking when I wrote that.  Our goal is to tell
people that when they post an e-mail to the list, their e-mail
address is going to be harvested.  So why not just say that? It
doesn't have to be as mean-spirited as my suggestion, but saying
"it is archived publicly" and hoping that the reader understands
everything this entails leaves it open for more hurt feelings and
whiny e-mails asking for archive changes.  

I have no sway over what goes on the gcc.gnu.org site of course,
I'm just a disinterested third party.  But I say we cut the BS and
say what we mean:  You post, it's archived, and the e-mail addresses
will all be harvested.  Welcome to life in the big net.


J