From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29777 invoked by alias); 3 Sep 2014 13:08:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact overseers-help@sourceware.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: , Sender: overseers-owner@sourceware.org Received: (qmail 29760 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2014 13:08:46 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: calimero.vinschen.de Received: from aquarius.hirmke.de (HELO calimero.vinschen.de) (217.91.18.234) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with ESMTP; Wed, 03 Sep 2014 13:08:41 +0000 Received: by calimero.vinschen.de (Postfix, from userid 500) id CD8E58E1402; Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:08:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 13:08:00 -0000 From: Corinna Vinschen To: overseers@sourceware.org Subject: Re: Cygwin lists spam filters Message-ID: <20140903130838.GA8164@calimero.vinschen.de> Mail-Followup-To: overseers@sourceware.org References: <20140902091708.GQ2644@calimero.vinschen.de> <20140902144959.GA4439@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> <20140902153457.GA12440@calimero.vinschen.de> <20140902174230.GA518@ednor.casa.cgf.cx> <20140903114932.GI6056@calimero.vinschen.de> <20140903120512.GI4825@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20140903120512.GI4825@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SW-Source: 2014-q3/txt/msg00136.txt.bz2 --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-length: 3295 Hi Frank, On Sep 3 08:05, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > Hi - >=20 > > There are no directions in the bounce. >=20 > Right, in this case the message was rejected upon receipt by sourceware, > so the bounce message was generated from his MTA, not sourceware. >=20 > > I copied an example of this bounce to sourceware.org:~/corinna/Message0= 1.eml > >=20 > > What was the problem with this mail, if it wasn't the raw email address > > in the sig? >=20 > /var/log/maillog says: >=20 > Aug 30 17:14:51 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: checking message <1028290= 35.20140830211503@mail.ru> for qpsmtpd:89 > Aug 30 17:14:53 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: identified spam (11.3/5.0= ) for qpsmtpd:89 in 2.4 seconds, 2121 bytes. > Aug 30 17:14:53 sourceware spamd[28769]: spamd: result: Y 11 - AWL,BAYES_= 60,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPAM_BODY,SPF_PASS,UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY sca= ntime=3D2.4,size=3D2121,user=3Dqpsmtpd,uid=3D89,required_score=3D5.0,rhost= =3Dlocalhost,raddr=3D127.0.0.1,rport=3D/var/run/spamd,mid=3D<102829035.2014= 0830211503@mail.ru>,bayes=3D0.659891,autolearn=3Dspam >=20 > % spamassassin -t < $MESSAGE_FILE Erm... was that the entire message file, including the bounce message from his mail server? If so, you should probably rerun this with only the original message part, which is part of the file I uploaded to ~/corinna/Message01.eml. > gives more info (but the bayes state has changed since Aug. 30): >=20 > Content analysis details: (32.0 points, 5.0 required) >=20 > pts rule name description > ---- ---------------------- ---------------------------------------------= ----- > 2.0 UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY BODY: UNSUBSCRIBE_BODY Adding the unsubscribe footer was invented for the cygwin-announce mailing list many many years ago. We actually asked our maintainers to add it. And here spamassassin turns that against them :} > 6.5 GARBLED_SUBJECT GARBLED_SUBJECT > 1.5 GARBLED_FROM GARBLED_FROM > -0.0 NO_RELAYS Informational: message was not relayed via SM= TP This ^^^^^^^^^ is only in the bounce message, not in the copy of the original message. > 6.5 GARBLED_BODY BODY: GARBLED_BODY > 10 SPAM_BODY BODY: SPAM_BODY > 2.0 BAYES_80 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 80 to 95% > [score: 0.9277] > 1.5 BODY_8BITS BODY: Body includes 8 consecutive 8-bit chara= cters This is a weird rule. So if somebody uses UTF-8 and, say, cyrillic characters in the SIG, it gets 2 extra score points. Wow. This is kind of unfriendly to non-latin language users... > 2.0 DSN_NO_MIMEVERSION Return-Path <> and no MIME-Version: header >=20 >=20 > > Btw., Yesterday I sent this mail with the message text inlined, then > > an hour later with the message text attached. Both of my mails to > > overseers simply disappeared, without even a bounce. >=20 > If you have the message-id, I could investigate. (Which "this"?) This in the sense of, I tried to send this here message you've just replied to, first with inline, then with attached bounce message to overseers. The message ids are 20140902185845.GA16455@calimero.vinschen.de 20140902201727.GH6056@calimero.vinschen.de Thanks, Corinna --=20 Corinna Vinschen Cygwin Maintainer Red Hat --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-length: 819 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUBxLWAAoJEPU2Bp2uRE+gcuQP/2kSKvSwSO/OpUIrXCEyP1iR iOVX1/34oV/9DN5S7mBN5HcDxYq0tB022EukCq+gGnKqhTwKWL3j1JEwoehdWksm cliwz79A0RCE7aHz2/d5l5G9UFqo+SdGuHGouB7kr4vLuiy1Hv94hXNzegtH1seP aBsLj20zAEZsVeAnk88epEyghIwp3arey88QM5xNtgcb3Qh1BO5cKi8jW7qwBetN XipYOfr2RZNiXoWfCbqqs7GLxm9wNFBi5nAAgpySHxnJuGreEfzGyUy826m3bbXT MLdBi73sd2Fkvfngbc09LAu7H+7ZUvl/8JbxCNBRiwfPZ36pxQjdd5xBbSp6fXAL k965N4FCZnc2hBs+hhzIneT8hcPRYjToJLcDQ1VN0szVImSicLcM8nLT2gTc29PU QIxv1vPx8YCYN/2n1J4w1aEBWo+JHmRsR8MZdzNitCiaqBL4u4h0NRdu1Iap457d V0J9rPTwKQfQcAnUJe8HxmBhR/gONdIgTXix6x3hLXzLwcI5f2/VaRN5fhzyp7fP L3WJWw2DMWY69+hjy9/K+41qfsu4HZ4YatPrl+NVClG53Dmo6MMMsRhFQDHoRe7F 6cdJU8S1PPYiEliFI6Xln4SwFOFkQsPOoij8Y/3DsbHJLFCiz+cP9eLZxR7fksW+ wseUYeABAYPINcSfoZZX =r/7T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx--