From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-delivery-74.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-74.mimecast.com [63.128.21.74]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EC73944420 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:01:17 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org F3EC73944420 Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-96-o8INs747NGKFnWNKx7VgYw-1; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 07:01:14 -0400 X-MC-Unique: o8INs747NGKFnWNKx7VgYw-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8C741B2C986; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (ovpn-112-40.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.112.40]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F7C373865; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fche by redhat.com with local (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jEWRi-00073G-01; Wed, 18 Mar 2020 07:01:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 07:01:09 -0400 From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" To: Overseers mailing list Cc: "Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc" , Florian Weimer , overseers@gcc.gnu.org, Alexander Monakov , Segher Boessenkool Subject: Re: Not usable email content encoding Message-ID: <20200318110109.GA5496@redhat.com> References: <20200317194613.GH22482@gate.crashing.org> <20200317195158.GC112952@elastic.org> <874kumt0bh.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <874kumt0bh.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.0 (2019-05-25) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: overseers@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Overseers mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 11:01:18 -0000 Hi - > > The key here is to realize that the raw message is not what you get > > back from the mailing list reflector, and also not the raw message > > that was sent by the sender. In this day of mta intermediaries, > > proxies, reflectors, it may be time to revisit that suggestion. >=20 > But these largely are new problems. It used to work flawlessly. I understand that's frustrating. But these workflows were counting on literally unspecified behaviours not changing, or outright standards violations continuing. > Patch reencoding problems go back to the redhat.com changes last > November (I understand the responsible vendor is working on a fix, > but I'm not up-to-date on the current developments). This one is a standards-compliant reencoding. Even if mimecast (?) stops doing it, we can't be sure nothing else will. > Since the sourceware.org Mailman migration, the From: header is being > rewritten, without any compelling reason. I certainly do not do any > DMARC checking here, so the rewriting does not benefit me. It benefits you because more and more email services are rejecting or interfering with mail that is not clean enough. If you want to receive mail reliably, or send and have confidence that it is received, clean mail benefits you. - FChE