From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.129.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84B073856DE0 for ; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:09:38 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 84B073856DE0 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=redhat.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1666544978; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=JKUpDRvoLnLWRZ1JroLrJ0Pef5sk9/gBNhXnUulpxyI=; b=A+EQsyKGcDpGBsNLsUdSjcEc7hOo0whTafSr7JaduzgHq3xDgSLAYg2+GxlmuZBr3sEU2U JYfMFRUqwrSowK3TuNP9skkZpnHE2s7HEkWIfgGEgC1REh3hf0E+P1KUQCaCWXYHRcqr+z XrDAF0lV6+7Wc7jCiFvp9GsOa8bDd/M= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mx3-rdu2.redhat.com [66.187.233.73]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-587-tQ0qxFEIN1uMwqHorfiPZg-1; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 13:09:35 -0400 X-MC-Unique: tQ0qxFEIN1uMwqHorfiPZg-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx10.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31A7429AA3B1; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.2.16.25]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F3B5492B04; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fche by redhat.com with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1omeTd-0004FY-Er; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 13:09:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 13:09:33 -0400 From: "Frank Ch. Eigler" To: Siddhesh Poyarekar Cc: Overseers mailing list , Ian Kelling , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: Toolchain Infrastructure project statement of support Message-ID: <20221023170933.GB8034@redhat.com> References: <2513b668-9ebd-9e78-7263-dc24f4a9558a@redhat.com> <20221013182529.sm76fysq37sv754x@cgf.cx> <9c0a9111-07b1-3617-c5c8-4b12e616f985@gotplt.org> <7abeb179-2c05-eee9-bd68-3b5f8a11bd32@gotplt.org> <87zgdmyg30.fsf@fsf.org> <230909ee-fb2c-cca0-abbe-fd7d6434efab@gotplt.org> <20221023151640.GA8034@redhat.com> <0bac951e-8f5e-deb6-c126-26d5fbd0bbfe@gotplt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0bac951e-8f5e-deb6-c126-26d5fbd0bbfe@gotplt.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.0 (2019-05-25) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.10 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Hi - > [...] To be specific, gcc steering committee and glibc FSF stewards > have announced the decision for their projects [...] I may be missing something. All I've seen so far were some of the leaders of some of the projects being joint signatories to a letter on overseers@. As far as I'm aware, that is not how any of these projects make or announce **project decisions** with/to their respective constituencies. > I am not aware of any opposition from maintainers of libabigail or > cygwin or any other active sourceware based project over moving > either, but I haven't had any links to those projects, so I may be > uninformed. Indeed. The onus is obviously on the shoulders of the proponents of this proposal to convince each sourceware guest project to consent to move. If you wish to frame any dissent as "blocking full migration", then I'd say the job of convincing everyone just has not been up to par. Perhaps it was the wrong goal all along. - FChE