List moderation

List moderation

[Syd Polk]

I would like to change moderation of sourcenav-announce to irox@redhat.com. 
How do I do that?


Syd Polk		spolk@redhat.com
Engineering Manager	+1 408 543 9430
Red Hat, Inc.

Re: List moderation

[Tom Tromey]

Syd> I would like to change moderation of sourcenav-announce to
Syd> irox@redhat.com.  How do I do that?

I added irox@redhat.com as a moderator.  Do you also want me to remove
you as a moderator?  ezmlm lists don't need a single moderator; any
number of people can share the work.

Tom

Re: List moderation

[Syd Polk]

At 04:03 PM 5/3/01 -0600, Tom Tromey wrote:
>Syd> I would like to change moderation of sourcenav-announce to
>Syd> irox@redhat.com.  How do I do that?
>
>I added irox@redhat.com as a moderator.  Do you also want me to remove
>you as a moderator?  ezmlm lists don't need a single moderator; any
>number of people can share the work.
>
>Tom

Change my address to spolk@baritoneconsulting.com. I am leaving Red Hat, so 
my cygnus/redhat addresses won't work any more.


Syd Polk		spolk@redhat.com
Engineering Manager	+1 408 543 9430
Red Hat, Inc.

Re: List moderation

[Tom Tromey]

Syd> Change my address to spolk@baritoneconsulting.com.

Done.

Tom

Re: List moderation

[Jonathan Larmour]

Tom Tromey wrote:
> 
> Syd> I would like to change moderation of sourcenav-announce to
> Syd> irox@redhat.com.  How do I do that?
> 
> I added irox@redhat.com as a moderator.  Do you also want me to remove
> you as a moderator?  ezmlm lists don't need a single moderator; any
> number of people can share the work.

Any chance I could be added as a list maintainer for ecos-announce and
ecos-discuss? I've mentioned it before, but thought I'd remind :-).

Jifl
-- 
Red Hat, Rustat House, Clifton Road, Cambridge, UK. Tel: +44 (1223) 271062
Maybe this world is another planet's Hell -Aldous Huxley || Opinions==mine

Re: List moderation

[Tom Tromey]

Jifl> Any chance I could be added as a list maintainer for
Jifl> ecos-announce and ecos-discuss? I've mentioned it before, but
Jifl> thought I'd remind :-).

Done.  Sorry about missing it the first time.  I haven't been reading
this list lately :-(

Tom

Javascript required to use sources?

[Mo DeJong]

Greetings o omnipotent ones.

It seems that folks are still required to have Javascript
enabled in order to look at and modify bug reports
in the gnatsweb interface on sources.

When I brought this problem up before I seem to
remember that it could not be fixed because of
a gcc 3.0 freeze or something. Now that gcc 3.0
is out the door, could someone take a look at
this? It is really quite a pain to require
Javascript.

thanks much
Mo DeJong
Red Hat Inc

Re: Javascript required to use sources?

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Mo" == Mo DeJong <mdejong@cygnus.com> writes:

Mo> It seems that folks are still required to have Javascript
Mo> enabled in order to look at and modify bug reports
Mo> in the gnatsweb interface on sources.
Mo> [ ... ]
Mo> It is really quite a pain to require
Mo> Javascript.

I don't really know about this issue.  I mean, I looked briefly at
gnatsweb.pl right now, and it does seem to require Javascript.  And
that does seem weird to me -- but then, I don't know the reasoning
behind the decision.

I've CCd Yngve (the gnatsweb maintainer) in hopes that he can clarify
the situation.

Tom

Re: Javascript required to use sources?

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 17:51 19.07.2001 -0600, Tom Tromey wrote:
>I don't really know about this issue.  I mean, I looked briefly at
>gnatsweb.pl right now, and it does seem to require Javascript.  And
>that does seem weird to me -- but then, I don't know the reasoning
>behind the decision.
>
>I've CCd Yngve (the gnatsweb maintainer) in hopes that he can clarify
>the situation.

Gnatsweb 2.8.1 and 2.8.2 no longer require JavaScript. For some reason, it 
was decided to use JavaScript on the login screen of 2.7 beta, and it took 
some time before I became aware of that.

- Yngve

Re: Javascript required to use sources?

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Yngve" == Yngve Svendsen <yngve.svendsen@clustra.com> writes:

Yngve> Gnatsweb 2.8.1 and 2.8.2 no longer require JavaScript.

We currently are running 2.8.0 (with some minor local patches).  Would
it be hard to upgrade to 2.8.1?

Tom

Re: Javascript required to use sources?

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On 20 Jul 2001, Tom Tromey wrote:
>> Gnatsweb 2.8.1 and 2.8.2 no longer require JavaScript.
> We currently are running 2.8.0 (with some minor local patches).  Would
> it be hard to upgrade to 2.8.1?

No, it's very easy.  (I already did it for the gcc.gnu.org side.)

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: Javascript required to use sources?

[Tom Tromey]

Gerald> No, it's very easy.  (I already did it for the gcc.gnu.org
Gerald> side.)

Thanks.

I've imported Gnatsweb 2.8.2 for sources.  I preserved the local
changes.

Since commits to cgi-bin are live, I've come up with a procedure for
updating gnatsweb.  First I rename it to `test-gnatseb.pl'.  Then I
`cvs import' it into cgi-bin.  This lets me easily merge in our local
changes.  I commit this and test out test-gnatsweb.pl (usually I run a
couple automake queries).  Really a simple smoke test is sufficient.
If it works ok I copy it to gnatsweb.pl and commit.

Tom

Uploads to ftp.sources.redhat.com

[Yngve Svendsen]

Hi!

A new release of the Gnatsweb interface to GNATS is getting closer. I'd 
like to distribute it from the same location as all the other Gnatsweb 
releases, i.e. from ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/gnats/contrib/ .

What is the procedure for having this uploaded to the FTP server?

Thanks,

Yngve Svendsen
IS Engineer
Clustra AS, Trondheim, Norway
yngve.svendsen@clustra.com

Re: Uploads to ftp.sources.redhat.com

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Yngve" == Yngve Svendsen <yngve.svendsen@clustra.com> writes:

Yngve> A new release of the Gnatsweb interface to GNATS is getting
Yngve> closer. I'd like to distribute it from the same location as all
Yngve> the other Gnatsweb releases, i.e. from
Yngve> ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/gnats/contrib/ .

Yngve> What is the procedure for having this uploaded to the FTP server?

Get the primary gnats maintainer to `scp' it to the right directory on
sources.  If you are the primary maintainer, tell me and I will change
your account so you can log in directly.  Or if you are the ongoing
gnatsweb maintainer and will do future uploads as well, I'll make the
change in that case too.  In general we try to limit direct login
access to sources.  However we don't deny it to those with a
legitimate need...

Tom

Re: Uploads to ftp.sources.redhat.com

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 19:33 01.05.2001 -0600, Tom Tromey wrote:
>Get the primary gnats maintainer to `scp' it to the right directory on
>sources.  If you are the primary maintainer, tell me and I will change
>your account so you can log in directly.  Or if you are the ongoing
>gnatsweb maintainer and will do future uploads as well, I'll make the
>change in that case too.  In general we try to limit direct login
>access to sources.  However we don't deny it to those with a
>legitimate need...

Thanks, I suppose Gerald should be the one to handle this.

By the way, is there any way, except by shell login, to have a look at the 
FTP and web logs for the gnats part of the site? It would be very 
interesting (and hopefully not depressing) to see how many downloads we get 
of the new Gnatsweb.

- Yngve

Re: Uploads to ftp.sources.redhat.com

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Yngve" == Yngve Svendsen <yngve.svendsen@clustra.com> writes:

Yngve> By the way, is there any way, except by shell login, to have a
Yngve> look at the FTP and web logs for the gnats part of the site? It
Yngve> would be very interesting (and hopefully not depressing) to see
Yngve> how many downloads we get of the new Gnatsweb.

There isn't really a way.

I get a weekly automated posting showing bytes sent per project and
the like.  I don't remember if that message is sent to this list or
just to a few people personally.  If the former you could look here.

Tom

Re: Uploads to ftp.sources.redhat.com

[Ian Lance Taylor]

Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com> writes:

> I get a weekly automated posting showing bytes sent per project and
> the like.  I don't remember if that message is sent to this list or
> just to a few people personally.  If the former you could look here.

I think those messages appear under
    http://sources.redhat.com/sourceware/bandwidth/

Ian

Re: Uploads to ftp.sources.redhat.com

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 12:53 04.05.2001 -0700, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
>Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > I get a weekly automated posting showing bytes sent per project and
> > the like.  I don't remember if that message is sent to this list or
> > just to a few people personally.  If the former you could look here.
>
>I think those messages appear under
>     http://sources.redhat.com/sourceware/bandwidth/

That's what I was looking for. And since I now have shell access, a little 
bit of grepping in the log files themselves should satisfy my curiosity 
completely.

Thanks!

- Yngve

Upgrade Gnatsweb on sources

[Yngve Svendsen]

I'd like to ask for Gnatsweb on sources.redhat.com to be upgraded to 2.8.0. 
Having gotten used to the usability enhancements in 2.7 beta and now 2.8.0, 
the current 2.6 interface feels a bit clunky.

What do you think?

Yngve Svendsen
IS Engineer
Clustra AS, Trondheim, Norway
yngve.svendsen@clustra.com

Re: Upgrade Gnatsweb on sources

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Yngve" == Yngve Svendsen <yngve.svendsen@clustra.com> writes:

Yngve> I'd like to ask for Gnatsweb on sources.redhat.com to be
Yngve> upgraded to 2.8.0.  Having gotten used to the usability
Yngve> enhancements in 2.7 beta and now 2.8.0, the current 2.6
Yngve> interface feels a bit clunky.

Yngve> What do you think?

What changes will we notice?  Also, will it work with the current
gnatsd?  I don't think we're ready to upgrade that.  Anyway, I'm for
it.  I can do it whenever you say it is safe, upgrade-wise.

Tom

Re: Upgrade Gnatsweb on sources

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 20:20 08.05.2001 -0600, Tom Tromey wrote:
>What changes will we notice?  Also, will it work with the current
>gnatsd?  I don't think we're ready to upgrade that.  Anyway, I'm for
>it.  I can do it whenever you say it is safe, upgrade-wise.

Yes, 2.8.0 is meant as a sort of wrapup release for the Gnatswebs 
supporting gnatsd 3.x.

There aren't any major new features over Gnatsweb 2.6, but some usability 
features such as URL marking and automatic redirects have been added. A 
proper help text has been added, external stylesheets are supported, and 
some problems introduced in 2.7 beta were corrected. I have also tightened 
the locking routines a bit, so there should now be little chance of 
Gnatsweb leaving PRs locked after edits.

I am enclosing the NEWS file from 2.8.0 below. Unfortunately, there was no 
NEWS file in 2.7 beta, so the changes from 2.6 are somewhat more extensive 
than what's outlined below. All in all, I am quite certain that there won't 
be any negative consequences from upgrading.

By the way, a new Gnats release will be announced tonight, bearing the 
version number 3.113.1. This release fixes the three most serious bugs 
encountered in 3.113. It is a bug-fix release only, but I'd recommend that 
you upgrade it also. It should be an easy drop-in replacement for 3.113.

Let me know what you think.

- Yngve



Current Version: 2.8.0
See the file ChangeLog for the details of all changes.

Changes from 2.7 beta to 2.8.0
* Both the Gnats and Gnatsweb version numbers are now displayed in the
   main page footer.
* If a user pressed the 'Stop' button of the browser right after
   pressing 'Submit' on the Edit PR page, the PR would not be properly
   unlocked. This has been fixed in a hopefully watertight way.
* If edits were submitted to a locked PR, Gnatsweb would not catch the
   error, and instead display a confusing error message saying that the
   PR had been modified since you started editing it. Gnatsweb now
   properly warns of a locked PR and stops the submission.
* Documentation updates to avert problems when people install Gnatsweb
   on top of a multiple-database Gnats.
* The page banner is now a little smaller, and the text "gnatsweb" is
   now displayed in a smaller typeface.
* On the Advanced Query Page, we now display a line below 'Closed
   After' and 'Closed Before' reminding users to uncheck 'Ignore
   Closed'.
* A bug where users would be able to create new PRs with PR numbers
   composed both out of letters and numbers has been corrected.
* When a non-existing PR number was typed into the 'view' or 'edit'
   textboxes on the front page, no error message would be given, and
   the user would be presented with a blank PR. Checks have been added
   to prevent this.
* Internet Explorer users are now being properly redirected to the
   Gnatsweb main page after submitting an edit.
* Internet Explorer would try to give downloaded attachments the same
   name as the gnatsweb script file itself. This has been fixed.
* Editing PRs with attachments caused Gnatsweb 2.7 beta to crash. This
   has been fixed.
* URLs in PR text are now being automatically converted to clickable
   links when PRs are displayed.
* Fixed a bug where HTML tags in PR fields weren't being properly
   escaped before being displayed in the query results.
* It is now possible to link an external stylesheet to all Gnatsweb
   pages. The Gnatsweb-generated HTML has been thoroughly cleaned up in
   order to support stylesheets better.

Re: Upgrade Gnatsweb on sources

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On 8 May 2001, Tom Tromey wrote:
> What changes will we notice?  Also, will it work with the current
> gnatsd?  I don't think we're ready to upgrade that.  Anyway, I'm for
> it.  I can do it whenever you say it is safe, upgrade-wise.

The upgrade might be especially important as sources.redhat.com and
gcc.gnu.org seem to suffer the problem that resulted from updating
on of the perl modules (where you provided a fix for the problem
recently).

Apart from that, I think it's a good idea to start ``from scratch''
on sources.redhat.com, and after a few weeks I'd also migrate that
version to gcc.gnu.org (and add those changes I have specially marked
there locally).

On the other hand, I am very sure that we made a couple of changes to
the installations on sources.redhat.com and gcc.gnu.org which did *not*
make it into 2.8.0; specifically, I believe nearly all of those changes
that I applied to the head of the gnatsweb tree are missing (most of
which should apply to the old version as well, as I had originally
developed and tested them on gcc.gnu.org).

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: Upgrade Gnatsweb on sources

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 12:14 09.05.2001 +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
>The upgrade might be especially important as sources.redhat.com and
>gcc.gnu.org seem to suffer the problem that resulted from updating
>on of the perl modules (where you provided a fix for the problem
>recently).
>
>Apart from that, I think it's a good idea to start ``from scratch''
>on sources.redhat.com, and after a few weeks I'd also migrate that
>version to gcc.gnu.org (and add those changes I have specially marked
>there locally).
>
>On the other hand, I am very sure that we made a couple of changes to
>the installations on sources.redhat.com and gcc.gnu.org which did *not*
>make it into 2.8.0; specifically, I believe nearly all of those changes
>that I applied to the head of the gnatsweb tree are missing (most of
>which should apply to the old version as well, as I had originally
>developed and tested them on gcc.gnu.org).

All the applicable changes recorded in the ChangeLog of HEAD have been 
ported to 2.8.0. However, there is obviously a gap in the ChangeLog between 
November 1999 and December 2000. Are you referring to changes made in that 
period?

If you see anything that could be usefully included in Gnatsweb 2.x, tell 
me, as I have plans to make a 2.8.1 release fairly shortly since I think we 
need to incorporate the fix for CGI.pm in a released version.

- Yngve

Re: Upgrade Gnatsweb on sources

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Wed, 9 May 2001, Yngve Svendsen wrote:
> All the applicable changes recorded in the ChangeLog of HEAD have been
> ported to 2.8.0. However, there is obviously a gap in the ChangeLog between
> November 1999 and December 2000. Are you referring to changes made in that
> period?

No, I apparently have missed my changes being integrated. Great!

> If you see anything that could be usefully included in Gnatsweb 2.x,
> tell me, as I have plans to make a 2.8.1 release fairly shortly since
> I think we need to incorporate the fix for CGI.pm in a released
> version.

Definitely, yes.

Tom, in that case I strongly suggest updating gnatsweb to 2.8.1 on sources
ASAP; can you do this, perhaps together with Yngve?

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: Upgrade Gnatsweb on sources

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 08:25 10.05.2001 +0200, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
>Tom, in that case I strongly suggest updating gnatsweb to 2.8.1 on sources
>ASAP; can you do this, perhaps together with Yngve?

I can do the update, but I guess I'll need write access to certain places 
on sources.redhat.com?

- Yngve

Re: Upgrade Gnatsweb on sources

[Tom Tromey]

>> Tom, in that case I strongly suggest updating gnatsweb to 2.8.1 on sources
>> ASAP; can you do this, perhaps together with Yngve?

Yngve> I can do the update, but I guess I'll need write access to
Yngve> certain places on sources.redhat.com?

It is actually on my to-do list for today.

Tom

gnats-announce mailing list

[Yngve Svendsen]

Hi!

It seems that messages to the gnats-announce mailing list don't get 
through, and there is no bounce. Is this mailing list moderated?

Yngve Svendsen
IS Engineer
Clustra AS, Trondheim, Norway
yngve.svendsen@clustra.com

Re: gnats-announce mailing list

[Tom Tromey]

>>>>> "Yngve" == Yngve Svendsen <yngve.svendsen@clustra.com> writes:

Yngve> It seems that messages to the gnats-announce mailing list don't
Yngve> get through, and there is no bounce. Is this mailing list
Yngve> moderated?

Yes.

The moderators are:

pst@juniper.net
bmanson@juniper.net

Tom

Re: gnats-announce mailing list

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 10:55 09.05.2001 -0600, Tom Tromey wrote:
> >>>>> "Yngve" == Yngve Svendsen <yngve.svendsen@clustra.com> writes:
>
>Yngve> It seems that messages to the gnats-announce mailing list don't
>Yngve> get through, and there is no bounce. Is this mailing list
>Yngve> moderated?
>
>Yes.
>
>The moderators are:
>
>pst@juniper.net
>bmanson@juniper.net

Aha. I don't think any of these are involved with Gnats any longer. I would 
suggest that Milan Zamazal, pdm@zamazal.org (primary maintainer of Gnats) 
and myself (primary maintainer of Gnatsweb) were set as moderators. I am 
CCing Milan on this.

- Yngve

Re: gnats-announce mailing list

[Tom Tromey]

Yngve> Aha. I don't think any of these are involved with Gnats any
Yngve> longer. I would suggest that Milan Zamazal, pdm@zamazal.org
Yngve> (primary maintainer of Gnats) and myself (primary maintainer of
Yngve> Gnatsweb) were set as moderators. I am CCing Milan on this.

I agree, and I made this change.
However I didn't unlist the previous two moderators.

Tom

Permission denied to Gnats CVS

[Yngve Svendsen]

Hi!

I got access to the GNATS CVS modules last week. However, some time during 
last weekend, I lost access again:

$> export CVS_RSH=ssh
$> cvs -z9 -d :ext:yngves@sources.redhat.com:/cvs/gnats co htdocs
Permission denied.
cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)

As far as I can see, nothing changed on my end of things. However, the 
account was originally created with the user name "svendsen", and later 
changed to "yngves", This might have something to do with the problems.

Could someone please check this out?

Thanks,

Yngve Svendsen
IS Engineer
Clustra AS, Trondheim, Norway
yngve.svendsen@clustra.com
Cell.: +47 913 915 02

Permission denied to Gnats CVS

[Yngve Svendsen]

Hi!

I got access to the GNATS CVS modules last week. However, some time during 
last weekend, I lost access again:

$> export CVS_RSH=ssh
$> cvs -z9 -d :ext:yngves@sources.redhat.com:/cvs/gnats co htdocs
Permission denied.
cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)

As far as I can see, nothing changed on my end of things. However, the 
account was originally created with the user name "svendsen", and later 
changed to "yngves", This might have something to do with the problems.

Could someone please check this out?

Thanks,

Yngve Svendsen
IS Engineer
Clustra AS, Trondheim, Norway
yngve.svendsen@clustra.com
Cell.: +47 913 915 02

Re: Permission denied to Gnats CVS

[Tom Tromey]

Yngve> Could someone please check this out?

Fixed.  Sorry about that.  I also added a gnats account for you.  I'll
send you your password soon.

Tom

Re: Permission denied to Gnats CVS

[Tom Tromey]

Yngve> Could someone please check this out?

Fixed.  Sorry about that.  I also added a gnats account for you.  I'll
send you your password soon.

Tom

Re: Permission denied to Gnats CVS

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 22:49 23.01.2001, Tom Tromey wrote:
>Yngve> Could someone please check this out?
>
>Fixed.  Sorry about that.  I also added a gnats account for you.  I'll
>send you your password soon.
>
>Tom

Thanks!

- Yngve

Re: Permission denied to Gnats CVS

[Yngve Svendsen]

At 22:49 23.01.2001, Tom Tromey wrote:
>Yngve> Could someone please check this out?
>
>Fixed.  Sorry about that.  I also added a gnats account for you.  I'll
>send you your password soon.
>
>Tom

Thanks!

- Yngve

Re: Permission denied to Gnats CVS

[Christopher Faylor]

You have to use whatever access method you originally used when
you signed up for sources.redhat.com.  That means that you have
to use the right username and ssh key when you contact sources.redhat.com.
From the looks of your error below, this is not the case.

cgf

On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:01:07PM +0100, Yngve Svendsen wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I got access to the GNATS CVS modules last week. However, some time during 
>last weekend, I lost access again:
>
>$> export CVS_RSH=ssh
>$> cvs -z9 -d :ext:yngves@sources.redhat.com:/cvs/gnats co htdocs
>Permission denied.
>cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
>
>As far as I can see, nothing changed on my end of things. However, the 
>account was originally created with the user name "svendsen", and later 
>changed to "yngves", This might have something to do with the problems.
>
>Could someone please check this out?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Yngve Svendsen
>IS Engineer
>Clustra AS, Trondheim, Norway
>yngve.svendsen@clustra.com
>Cell.: +47 913 915 02

-- 
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Re: Permission denied to Gnats CVS

[Christopher Faylor]

You have to use whatever access method you originally used when
you signed up for sources.redhat.com.  That means that you have
to use the right username and ssh key when you contact sources.redhat.com.
From the looks of your error below, this is not the case.

cgf

On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:01:07PM +0100, Yngve Svendsen wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I got access to the GNATS CVS modules last week. However, some time during 
>last weekend, I lost access again:
>
>$> export CVS_RSH=ssh
>$> cvs -z9 -d :ext:yngves@sources.redhat.com:/cvs/gnats co htdocs
>Permission denied.
>cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
>
>As far as I can see, nothing changed on my end of things. However, the 
>account was originally created with the user name "svendsen", and later 
>changed to "yngves", This might have something to do with the problems.
>
>Could someone please check this out?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Yngve Svendsen
>IS Engineer
>Clustra AS, Trondheim, Norway
>yngve.svendsen@clustra.com
>Cell.: +47 913 915 02

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