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Eigler" Cc: Overseers mailing list , Ian Kelling , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , libc-alpha@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <2513b668-9ebd-9e78-7263-dc24f4a9558a@redhat.com> <20221013182529.sm76fysq37sv754x@cgf.cx> <9c0a9111-07b1-3617-c5c8-4b12e616f985@gotplt.org> <7abeb179-2c05-eee9-bd68-3b5f8a11bd32@gotplt.org> <87zgdmyg30.fsf@fsf.org> <230909ee-fb2c-cca0-abbe-fd7d6434efab@gotplt.org> <20221023151640.GA8034@redhat.com> <0bac951e-8f5e-deb6-c126-26d5fbd0bbfe@gotplt.org> <20221023170933.GB8034@redhat.com> From: Siddhesh Poyarekar In-Reply-To: <20221023170933.GB8034@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3030.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On 2022-10-23 13:09, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: >> [...] To be specific, gcc steering committee and glibc FSF stewards >> have announced the decision for their projects [...] > > I may be missing something. All I've seen so far were some of the > leaders of some of the projects being joint signatories to a letter on > overseers@. As far as I'm aware, that is not how any of these > projects make or announce **project decisions** with/to their > respective constituencies. Fair enough. >> I am not aware of any opposition from maintainers of libabigail or >> cygwin or any other active sourceware based project over moving >> either, but I haven't had any links to those projects, so I may be >> uninformed. > > Indeed. The onus is obviously on the shoulders of the proponents of > this proposal to convince each sourceware guest project to consent to > move. If you wish to frame any dissent as "blocking full migration", > then I'd say the job of convincing everyone just has not been up to > par. Perhaps it was the wrong goal all along. Are you saying then that your dissent so far is as maintainer for systemtap and not as an overseer? Sid