From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-out.m-online.net (mail-out.m-online.net [212.18.0.10]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1BEA3847718; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:51:56 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org E1BEA3847718 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=linux-m68k.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=nefkom.net ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org E1BEA3847718 Authentication-Results: server2.sourceware.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=212.18.0.10 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1712163120; cv=none; b=CODyQ6L5gqvI9sS5iMVphxbgfXNAyjSDaGh348Y/+gAx0IVWzWRD2X3wN5EsTKCAUSuRbzXulXcH2zKAeyyj4JmHC4Yb44qUMBFpN6sLa9dLMrjnW/1HuLwLETHj706WzVne/NHFefDxSIExKUCtL9aF34B9NLX6+2X4Ao0a+3A= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1712163120; c=relaxed/simple; bh=vwZikbxza4eqfMNHvsSb/bJ/Y/WgB76UpgRhNSX9yzI=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version; b=YIhFGm21H5vNzaR3EFMNTa/BA9lFJIuMdS//B9iGXO2fGzIn+hF/xTFyDoh1EHwAQWAX7oEPPouOumrDTfs62D8AtFI122tlt3FO5ynvcqwL4JUIPdf3Y31SI8D95ycUBMoKLMUpjNcxTOcm7ySXa5plQXgZjcqK6WMXMDCpIaY= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4V8rPf2Pdxz1sMNx; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:51:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4V8rPf0MDNz1qqlW; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:51:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id xsVDr6tYLW37; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:51:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: 7VkHh0+y1WSw/hCZqElnrjY+/OtKLdbnSlM78J0dB/KOsEXj+GQGXC8YbQQvUuVU Received: from igel.home (aftr-62-216-202-233.dynamic.mnet-online.de [62.216.202.233]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:51:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9ED192C1A72; Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:51:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Martin Uecker Cc: Michael Matz , Ian Lance Taylor , Paul Koning , Paul Eggert , "Sandra Loosemore" , Mark Wielaard , , , , , Subject: Re: Sourceware mitigating and preventing the next xz-backdoor In-Reply-To: (Martin Uecker's message of "Wed, 3 Apr 2024 16:32:15 +0200") References: <20240329203909.GS9427@gnu.wildebeest.org> <20240401150617.GF19478@gnu.wildebeest.org> <12215cd2-16db-4ee4-bd98-6a4bcf318592@cs.ucla.edu> <6239192ba9ff8aad0752309a54b633dc75a57c77.camel@tugraz.at> <8e877d2f-01e0-c786-dea5-265edbdc0c07@suse.de> X-Yow: Disco oil bussing will create a throbbing naugahide pipeline running straight to the tropics from the rug producing regions and devalue the dollar! Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2024 18:51:48 +0200 Message-ID: <874jcicrtn.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,KAM_DMARC_STATUS,RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Apr 03 2024, Martin Uecker wrote: > I ask a very specific question: To what extend is testing  > for features instead of semantic versions and/or supported > standards still necessary? This seems like a problematic approach > that  may have been necessary decades ago, but it seems it may be > time to move on. CMake is doing mostly the same feature tests under the hood. Because they are proven convenient and effective. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different."